Indys new vouch requirements

[5By5]

Originally Posted by bambino

Glad you clarified, I was getting the impression you were being a pompous, condescending jerk. Lol.

I AM a pompous condescending jerk. :P

[bambino]

Fuckin Chesty

Fuckin 5by5

[Big Stig]

Originally Posted by 5By5

I AM a pompous condescending jerk. :P

So am I. What's wrong with that?

[goodnightchesty]

Originally Posted by bambino

Fuckin Chesty

Fuckin 5by5

I'm glad to see this sausage fest has nothing but intelligent, thoughtful, serious, meaningful posts that help carry on debate and discussion that is respectful to all

[sexymaid_69]

Originally Posted by bambino

Maybe Jinny will chime in here. Is the provider experience better on Indys than other sites? I can't answer that.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Is the provider experience better?

I'll be honest, it once was.
When I joined these sites all those years ago indys was really good for the local providers. But then it was still a local site and didn't have the national reach or membership numbers it does now.
Everyone kind of knew everyone else so it was a bit friendlier and easier to navigate, easier to screen and verify folks etc.

Nowadays though, IMHO it's just like any other site and you get out of it what you put into it. The "community" feel it once had is gone. People don't really shoot the breeze anymore because of so many conflicting personalities and opinions
It is still a very successful site but it's lost it's "friendliness"

There is one huge exception...
Nobody on any other sites tries to circumvent screening by telling me he has a green square and that should be good enough.
I get more "attitude" from indys members than I do from any other site.

Once again,
My own opinion and not shared by the site(s) nor it's membership.

[bambino]

Fuckin condescending, pompus, arrogant pricks.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by 5By5

I wasn't intending to criticize ECCIE in any way and I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing Indys here. I like reading ECCIE now. I was addressing Devo's post where he says the Indys review system was worthless from day one and that the provider oriented nature of Indys was a major problem with that site. I disagree with both assertions. My point was that when Indys took control of the market from ASPD it FELT like a revolution was going on in the local hooker board landscape and I think that the provider oriented nature of that site was one of the reasons for its success. There are others. Indys was just a better product all the way around.

Devo didn't say a revolution was going on but I was comparing the present time to what happened on the local scene from 2007 to 2008. ECCIE is more or less the successor to ASPD and I think it has basically the same review system ASPD had that Devo advocates. Whatever is happening with ECCIE and Indys now doesn't feel like a revolution to me. It feels like a couple of people who like each other are hanging out in a new place . Nothing wrong with that at all. My point was that if ECCIE does become a major player in the local market at Indys expense, it won't be because the mindset at Indys regarding reviews is somehow flawed. There would be other factors coming into play.

How can you even compare the review systems on the same page, let alone call them similar?

ASPD gave male members free access if they did them, now Indys is doing the same.

ASPD did not allow providers to respond in reviews, while Indys has let the providers BLUDGEON guys for saying stuff they didn't like, I actually kept checking in from time to time, JUST to see some of the legendary melt downs from providers who went PSYCHO on guys for a bad review.

Providers were NEVER allowed to moderate or impose any sanctions on men at ASPD, it was all handled by MALES who were in the hobby, further, there WERE NO female moderators at all doing any real interaction with the men, in any case.

Especially female Mods who are handing out cups of shut the fuck up to guys IN A REVIEW DISCUSSION.

The review system at Indys had no incentive for guys to tell the truth, and every incentive to give false positives, and withhold bad reviews.

Other than both sites reviews were written in English, I don't see anything else in common.

Further it was the goal of ASPD, to make providers live up to a better standard, therefore, Improving the pool of providers available for the men, not, like Indys, which is all about cuckolding the men, making them more accountable for their words, and doing everything to further the providers in making money.

Hell, I could say ASPD even generated competition amongst the providers.

Indys?

Put a new provider on there for one day, and every other provider was already PMing her to raise her rates to 200 bucks for a fucking handjob.

Hell, King Solomon discovered a college girl in Indiana, whose doing 100 dollar sessions, and he brings her to Indys, and shes suddenly worth 200 bucks for a hefty, inexperienced noob, who wont even post a pic, and is working out of someewhat open college environment, with room mates.

I fail to see specifically or see pointed out where exactly Indys EVER did anything better for the men, than ASPD did.

[goodnightchesty]

I did something the other day on that review I did on Indys that I never did before and I think should be used. On the "link to full review" I believe you have to be vouched (but not sure) so I hit "voe" anyway and then did a section "vco" (vouched client only) that I believe keep the providers from seeing what is written there.

[5By5]

I can see why you misread my post, but you are misreading it. I didn't say that the Indys review system was the same as ASPD's. I said that ECCIE is ASPD's successor and ECCIE's review system is basically the same as ASPD's.

I do not consider myself to be an authority on either ASPD or ECCIE. I certainly wasn't a mod on ASPD so I know you know more about the ASPD system then I do. I also have not been on the scene as long as you. I'm sure your point of view is different from mine. However, over the years, I've written at least seven or ten reviews on the now defunct escorts.com and/or Indys. I've written at least one alert. I've also written more than 70 "mini reviews on Indys, some positive and some negative. So, I have some idea how to write a review. I don't doubt for a moment that the ASPD standard of reviews was more pro-hobbyist but I don't for a minute think that being pro-provider means necessarily anti-hobbyist.

You ask, "What did Indys do better for the guys?" Well, primarily Indys attracted a hell of a lot more girls than ASPD. Guys go where the girls are. Indys gave the girls devices to screen guys they never had before. Indys gave girls the opportunity to comment on reviews. Indys gave girls the opportunity to post photographs. I could go on. The fact that Indys was a provider friendly website was, in my opinion, one of the primary reasons why Indys wrested control of the local market from ASPD.

Now there were certainly other reasons. Indys has a better user interface then ASPD did, in my opinion. I also think Indys had the home-field advantage because it was run by local people. I also don't think that Indys was totally pro provider as you say. The guys room is there to level the playing field and I think it did, to a degree, when I was a posting member there. I can't really give an opinion about the guys room today.

You do agree that Indys became the dominant board in Pittsburgh at some point in 2007 or 2008, before ASPD went totally black, don't you? To what do you ascribe Indys success? If the guys oriented approach that you were talking about was so much better, then why did it fail? As I said previously, I joined the scene right when these events were taking place. My memory is not perfect.

This thread isn't about hooker board history. It's about recent changes to the rules relating to guys room access on Indys. I was addressing the history of things, because I am not really part of the scene anymore and I know more about the history of things. You said in your post that PI giving guys the opportunity to write reviews rather than pay money for guys room access was some sort of acknowledgment that their review system was fucked up from day one. It's fairly obvious that that argument makes no sense. He isn't changing the standard for writing reviews, to my knowledge. Moreover, from a historical standpoint, the Indys system, the pro provider fucked up system you are critical of, supplanted the "superior" ASPD system in a fairly dramatic way. That was my point.

In short I think that the changes to guys room access has more to do with events in Cleveland then any change in anyone's hooker-ism philosophy. Is Indys loses market share, which it has already I'm sure, the reason will have more to do with the arrests in Cleveland than anything else.

[Dartgnan48]

Jinny said "I'll be honest, it once was."

Yes it was and IMO is back on the uphill swing. Why you ask? Well is very simple. With the new vouching policies the site has weeded out the non-hobbiest or the once a year hobbiest who besides that once a year or never hobby clutters up the board ..inhibits new growth from new providers..IE time-wasters. I heard they all gathered up another site but I can't say. U friend dArT

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Dartgnan48

Jinny said "I'll be honest, it once was."

Yes it was and IMO is back on the uphill swing. Why you ask? Well is very simple. With the new vouching policies the site has weeded out the non-hobbiest or the once a year hobbiest who besides that once a year or never hobby clutters up the board ..inhibits new growth from new providers..IE time-wasters. I heard they all gathered up another site but I can't say. U friend dArT

They also weeded out several guys who did see Indys girls on a consistent basis and would have glady paid $50 without thinking twice. Oh well.

[BSer]

Dart misses us. He must get bored looking at word games and ads. If he continues to spy and cheerlead, the big guy may give him his life long wish of being an Indys mod.

[AmishGangster]

Maybe he is male moderator...fuckin asshat

[Dartgnan48]

Not hardly. If u look at the profiles you would see I been on here longer than any of you.

[Guest123018-4]

Ah the good old days of ASPD where the purpose of the site was to improve the hobby experience for both.

As a profession, it is the ones that fuck people over, provide bad service and a myriad of other things that give it a bad name.
Then you have the johns that essentially do the same thing that gives the hobby a bad name.

What use is a review site if the information is not relevant to the purveyor.
You may as well look up escort agencies in the old Yellow Pages.

Another thing is this false sense of "safety" that some feel is guaranteed by a vouch system. Has anyone been paying attention to what our governments will do to create a crime and entrap our citizens? There is probably more time and money wasted on "vice" than there is on robbery.
Hookers have been fooled by female vice into believing they are hookers in order to gain access and so have johns. The only person that can do anything to make your experience safer is you and you alone get to decide what your safety comfort zone will be.

Lastly, the great thing about America is that you too can own your own business and to a certain degree decide how you want to run it. No shirt no shoes no service and so on. Then you also get to decide if you want to be a participant , customer, or whatever of that business. If you do not like the music, go someplace else.