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Old 11-28-2014, 11:09 AM   #241
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Default "Drive By Shooting" Cleveland police style?

CLEVELAND – The family of a 12-year-old boy fatally wounded by a Cleveland police officer said surveillance video of the shooting shows that if the officer had not acted so quickly the youngster would still be alive.

The video made public on Wednesday shows Tamir Rice being shot within 1½ to 2 seconds of a patrol car stopping near him at a park in Cleveland on Saturday. It shows the boy reaching in his waistband for what police discovered was a pellet gun that shoots non-lethal plastic projectiles. He died the next day.

Tamir's family said in a statement released by their attorneys that they hope Cleveland police and Cuyahoga County prosecutors "thoroughly examine" what happened at the park that day.

"It is our belief that this situation could have been avoided and that Tamir should still be here with us," said the family. "The video shows one thing distinctly: the police officers reacted quickly."

The patrol officer who shot Tamir was identified Wednesday as Timothy Loehmann, a 26-year-old rookie who began his career in Cleveland on March 3. He previously spent five months in 2012 with a department in suburban Independence, but four of those months were in that city's police academy.

Loehmann's partner that day was identified as Frank Garmback, 46. He has been with the department since 2008. Both are on paid administrative leave pending a decision by the Cuyahoga County prosecutor's office whether to pursue any criminal charges.

Much of the video footage shows Tamir alone in a park on an unseasonably warm November afternoon. He is seen pacing, occasionally extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking on a cellphone and sitting a picnic table with his head resting on his arms.

The gun wasn't real. It can be bought at sporting goods stores for less than $20. Tamir's was lacking the orange safety indicator usually found on the barrel and, from a distance, was indistinguishable from a real firearm.

At one moment, Tamir is sitting at a picnic table in a gazebo. He stands and a police car zooms into the frame from the right and stops on the grass, just a few feet from Tamir. The passenger door opens and Loehmann shoots Tamir before Garmback can get out the driver's side door.

It's unclear how far Tamir was from Loehmann when the officer shot him, but Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said Wednesday that it was less than 10 feet.

The low-resolution video shows Tamir reaching to his waistband and then bending over after being shot. His body is mostly obscured by the patrol car when he falls to the ground. Garmback can be seen walking around the car and kicking what is said to be the airsoft gun away from Tamir.

Tomba told reporters at a news conference Wednesday that an FBI agent who was working a bank robbery detail nearby arrived within a few minutes and administered first aid to Tamir. Paramedics arrived three minutes later. The boy died on Sunday at a Cleveland hospital.

Tomba said the city was releasing the video at the behest of Tamir's family.

"This is not an effort to exonerate. It's not an effort to show the public that anybody did anything wrong," Tomba said. "This is an obvious tragic event where a young member of our community lost their life. We've got two officers that were out there protecting the public that just had to, you know, do something that nobody wants to do."

On Saturday, a person had called 911 about a male pointing a gun at others at the park. The caller told the 911 dispatcher that the gun was "probably fake," then added, "I don't know if it's real or not."

Tomba would not discuss statements the two officers gave after the shooting, saying they were part of the investigation. Nor would he discuss details of the radio conversation between the officers and a dispatcher except to say they were apprised that they were on a "gun run."

David Malik, one of the attorneys representing Tamir's family, said Wednesday that he hoped the shooting of Tamir would lead to reform. He cited Cincinnati, where he said the police department, police union and the community worked collaboratively.

"Hopefully, incidents like this won't occur again," Malik said.

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Old 11-28-2014, 11:30 AM   #242
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CLEVELAND – "Hopefully, incidents like this won't occur again," Malik said.

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Incidents like these will stop happening just as soon as police officers become indifferent to their own survival.

IN OTHER NEWS:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lack-cop-trev/

Nothing to see here; doesn't fit the template.
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Old 11-28-2014, 11:44 AM   #243
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He had quite the sublime look of satisfaction on his face, doesn't he?

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Old 11-28-2014, 03:44 PM   #244
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Incidents like these will stop happening just as soon as police officers become indifferent to their own survival.

IN OTHER NEWS:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lack-cop-trev/

Nothing to see here; doesn't fit the template.
A naked white boy on lsd acting agressively shot and killed by a black campus police officer. Ok they are mirror examples.
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Old 11-28-2014, 04:58 PM   #245
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A naked white boy on lsd acting agressively shot and killed by a black campus police officer. Ok they are mirror examples.
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The lad was nekkid!? Damn, I missed that.

Tonton Macoute wasn't worrying about a concealed handgun, I guess.

You think Eric Holder was all over this case?
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Old 11-28-2014, 06:31 PM   #246
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Yeah, Holder will be all over it. Obama will come to the campus.
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:03 AM   #247
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Holder needs to go to Tue border and look into the justifiable shootings of Mexicans by border agents.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:42 AM   #248
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Default America is not for TRUTHFUL black people

...apparently black people are caught in a squeeze between the Man, (who might charge them with perjury if they lie under oath), and their fellow brers, (who might just bar-be-cue they bitch asses if they don't keep the lie alive):

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...er/#more-93000

Was Mike Brown's current step-daddy ordering the killing of DeAndre Joshua when he screamed "Burn these bitches down" (or something similar)?


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Holder needs to go to Tue border and look into the justifiable shootings of Mexicans by border agents.
WTF's a Tue border?
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Old 11-29-2014, 01:06 PM   #249
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Typo: to
Was on phone.
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The conservative tree house. That says enough right there. I now know where you get your information that warps your views.


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How is that true when the conversation at hand is about a video that we can all see? Look in the previous posts...it hasn't disappeared at the time of your posting. IJS
I think she means in general when it comes to LE... But I also think she just wanted to chime in... As I'm doing now... Lol.
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:13 AM   #252
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The conservative tree house. That says enough right there. I now know where you get your information that warps your views.
Maybe your google is broke?

Here ya go: http://bit.ly/1vYyZ2H
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Old 12-01-2014, 12:23 AM   #253
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Stupidity ..... disrespect ..... and political showboating is pandemic.

Edit: I hope they get fined. It's not the place.



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Old 12-01-2014, 06:36 AM   #254
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Don't forget ignorance. The delusional nitwits were just trying to be John Carlos and Tommie Smith; but they're completely ignorant of the fact that Carlos and Smith had good reason and courage on their side, whereas all they have is Sharpton, certified asshole.
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Jeff Fisher made a statement yesterday that this demonstration was okay under the First Amendment.

I don't think the First Amendment provides for employees to form racial demonstrations while "on the clock" or really at any other time. No protection is given to employees at all if I understand correctly.

Reminds me of the Robertson / A&E fiasco but Negro employees.

I'm not holding my breath for NFL action.

They won't miss me anyway....I was gone after I threw my shoe at Bob Costas when he lectured me at halftime about gun violence.


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