The Corrupt Ukraine Scam

[HDGristle]

We know what banal point you're trying to make while shitposting on a hooker board so men will expose themselves to you.

You don't care about Ukraine. Or it's people. Just rhetorical word games as you poke others and repeat yourself.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Joe

Your articles very first sentence says the Kremlin claims,... who besides you and a few others of questionable loyalty to this country that are on this site give two shits about what the Kremlin claims?
Here's the facts, until 2014 Ukraine has no intention of joining NATO until Russia invaded Crimea, then and only then did it become a priority.
And besides that who besides Putin and of course you thinks they can tell the Ukraine or all of the other former Warsaw pact countries or any of the countries of Europe for that matter, that they cannot practice freedom of association.
Why would you think that a country must stick to an agreement made 30 years ago by two men not even of their country dictating their future choices?
You all liked that dictating part!
I'll bet when you saw the word you had to wipe your lips, huh?
But I digress!
Ukraine is practicing freedom!
Just as Finland recently did!
That is freedom like it or not! Ukraine is fighting OUR war!
Bankrupting our enemy, draining his treasury and killing him in the process!
Russia has always been our sworn enemy, except for the trump years!
And as I said to another one of your fellow travelers before!
Our treasury can stand the strain, thiers can't!
Sleepy Joe can send all of the old M16's and worn out Bradleys he wants!
I get a kick out of knowing those old M16's are finally being pointed in the right direction!
Get some Sleepy!
Fuck Putin!

you do admit that this was agreed upon by the US and Russia, yes?


it was and it was in large part because Ukraine at the time of the collapse of the USSR had nuclear missiles. the deal to move them into Russia meaning Ukraine would not be a nuclear power after breaking away from Russia. the price was no NATO expansion.


several US presidents have since rattled their sabers about Ukraine joining NATO including Bushy II, Barry Soetoro and Biden all advocated for Ukraine to join NATO. notice the missing name? Trump. Trump correctly blasted NATO for not paying their fair share and relying way too much on the US to bail them out if Russia did attack.


several of our esteemed posters are convinced Trump colluded with Putin to get elected and that Putin has "leverage" (the pee tape that doesn't exist) on Trump to get him to do what he wants. nonsense!


so if this is true why didn't Putin invade knowing Trump would not help Ukraine and opposed Ukraine joining NATO? it would have been the perfect condition to invade.


so why didn't it happen while Trump was president but did twice while Barry Soetoro and Butthead Biden were in office?


you know why.


thank you valued poster

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Charley3

A “supposed” promise that the Kremlin claims were made 34 years ago. Do you want to look at Putin’s broken promises? Chinas?

Come on. You can’t be this naive.

how naive was the US that this wouldn't piss off Putin and Russia?

we got what we played our cards for. a(nother) WAR.


brilliant!

[HDGristle]

How naive was Putin when he invaded Ukraine, pissed off the majority of countries, helped add a pile of miles of his border to NATO and had his army exposed by a country he doesn't even believe exists?

He's lost his biggest customers for a variety of non-military exports. He's lost a lot of his critical imports. He's lost a pile of his citizens in terms of brain drain AND battlefield losses. His stockpiles of many critical weapons of war are highly depleted and they're dusting off WWII Era tanks and equipment while buying back parts they sold to India, China and Iran at huge markups.

His Terminators failed. His Armatas are a non-factor. His hypersonic weapons have been exposed. His flagship naval vessel was sunk. And his military exports are drying up.

There's a joke Zelensky told that I found apt. Involves what happened when Russia went to war with NATO in Ukraine.

You should check it out. Has quite the punchline.

Pennies on the dollar to support an ally in smacking a bully and adversary right in the mouth. Equipment and munitions, we weren't planning on using, helping an ally make a mockery of whatever legend existed regarding the power of the Russian military and laying bare just how overhyped Putin's forces really are.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

How naive was Putin when he invaded Ukraine, pissed off the majority of countries, helped add a pile of miles of his border to NATO and had his army exposed by a country he doesn't even believe exists?


and if Putin felt backed into a corner by the US's action by reneging on their agreement?


He's lost his biggest customers for a variety of non-military exports. He's lost a lot of his critical imports. He's lost a pile of his citizens in terms of brain drain AND battlefield losses. His stockpiles of many critical weapons of war are highly depleted and they're dusting off WWII Era tanks and equipment while buying back parts they sold to India, China and Iran at huge markups.


sanctions should have reduced Russia's economy and the value of the rubel to nothing.

it didn't. prove me wrong.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60125659


Are sanctions hurting Russia?


Western leaders predicted Russia's economy would collapse. After the invasion of Ukraine and first sanctions, prices rose sharply and people took their money out of banks.


But the International Monetary Fund believes Russia's economy could grow by 0.7% in 2023.


This is because Russia is exporting 8.3 million barrels of oil a day - the highest level since April 2020, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). The biggest importers are India and China.


However, the IEA says that Russia's earnings from oil and gas exports fell to £6.5bn ($8.1bn) a month in April 2023, from £18.2bn ($22.5bn) because of Western sanctions.


How has Russia reacted?


Russia has banned exports of more than 200 goods from the West, including telecoms, medical, vehicle, agricultural, electrical equipment and timber products.


It is blocking interest payments to foreign holders of government bonds, and banning Russian firms from paying overseas shareholders.


Foreign investors, who hold billions of dollars worth of Russian investments, are banned from selling them.


sanctions work both ways


His Terminators failed. His Armatas are a non-factor. His hypersonic weapons have been exposed. His flagship naval vessel was sunk. And his military exports are drying up.

There's a joke Zelensky told that I found apt. Involves what happened when Russia went to war with NATO in Ukraine.

You should check it out. Has quite the punchline.


Zelensky is a joke. and it's not funny


Pennies on the dollar to support an ally in smacking a bully and adversary right in the mouth. Equipment and munitions, we weren't planning on using, helping an ally make a mockery of whatever legend existed regarding the power of the Russian military and laying bare just how overhyped Putin's forces really are.

how many pennies in 113 billion?

and counting.

since when did Ukraine become a US ally?

did i miss the memo?

[The_Waco_Kid]

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

how many pennies in 113 billion?

and counting.

since when did Ukraine become a US ally?

did i miss the memo?

That is an awful lot of pennies. Especially when you consider how much in debt the US already is. Yet there is Senile Biden stealing hard earned American taxpayer money to send to corrupt Ukraine so he gets his kickbacks

Despicable.

[HDGristle]

Waco, Putin wasn't backed into a corner. So his snowflake feelings aren't relevant.

Sanctions weren't going to reduce tbe value of the ruble and Russian economy to nothing, nor were they designed to. Asking me to prove you wrong on that is a strawman. And Russia's counter-sanctions mean little. Their GDP dropped by 2.1% in 2022. So a 0.7 increase overall bolstered by oil sales doesn't blow up my skirt even a little when their arms exports are in jeopardy. Nice try though.

I'm sorry you don't find Zelensky's joke funny. It is funny, though.

Ukraine's been a U.S. ally since the 90's in some regards. The 00's in others. That you don't see it or believe it is your problem, not mine.

As for $113 billion you're falling into a similar trap as our resident ex-CFO, which you shouldn't. You're focusing on book value like it's cash. It's not.

31% is current book value of hardware and munitions. Like those cluster munitions and certain IFV's that we aren't using but remained in inventories. Not cash in-hand.

24% has been in security assistance, which is predominantly training, equipment and logistical support services. Not cash in-hand.

6% was on financing arrangements for purchases of weapons from other allies. Not cash in-hand.

Even when we look at the humanitarian aid, a lot of the aid given is things like foodstuffs and medical supplies vs cash-in hand or agreements to purchase things in their behalf. So stop exaggerating and misrepresenting the aid.

Russia's lost over a million of its best in brightest in brain drain as they fled the country. It's war costs it over $10 billion per month. It's going to have used up about 20 million rounds of artillery ammunition. Millions of mines. Thousands of tanks. Thousands of other armored vehicles. Thousands of artillery units. Hundreds of thousands of lives.

They're stripping barrels off of relics. They're fielding minorly upgraded T-55's now they're keeping together with duct tape and hope as they lose 4 armored units for every 1 they destroy. Their hypersonics have been countered. We and our allies have been practically handed undamaged hardware and software systems of some of their best weapons for us to to take apart and study. Their officers corps have been devastated. Their most effective "unofficial merc group" mutinied. So yeah, pennies on the dollar for the impact.

They're losing $5 million vehicles and up to 4 lives to a $12 drone and $100 worth of explosives.

And we're not even discussing the things our efforts and assistance have generated yet.

But you and berry can feel free to pretend otherwise as you feel is necessary.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by berryberry

You are cheering it on - constantly

You don't support a realistic peaceful settlement.

As Jacuzzme noted, you are bloodthirsty cheering on the war yet you are unwilling to sign up and go fight and put yourself in harm's way. Why is that?

Does the constant lying, shit posting and wild mischaracterization ever get tiring for you? You lie like it's your job. Why do you come in here every day and lie like it's your job? Are you running for office or something?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Does the constant lying, shit posting and wild mischaracterizaion ever get tiring for you? You lie like it's your job. Why do you come in here every day and lie like it's your job? Are you running for office or something?

Nothing false about anything I posted.

Anyone reading this thread can see that you don't support a realistic peaceful settlement to the war and that you are cheering on the war yet you are unwilling to sign up and go fight and put yourself in harm's way.

The truth must hurt

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Nothing false about anything I posted

LMFAO!!!!

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by tommy156

LMFAO!!!!

Like I said, the truth must really hurt

Your words are out there for all to see. You repeatedly made comments showing that you don't support a realistic peaceful settlement to the war and that you are cheering on the war yet you are unwilling to sign up and go fight and put yourself in harm's way.

Are you trying to run and hide from them now hoping people will forget?

[berryberry]

When you understand that the current regime in Ukraine has the power to end Senile Biden's presidency given the crimes the Biden Crime Family committed in that country, everything Senile Biden is doing in Ukraine right now is explained. It's an existential crisis all about the grift for Senile Biden and his family.

[tommy156]

There is no "peaceful settlement" to be made. Russia are the invaders. Invaders get the fuck out. End this war of choice. Period.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by tommy156

There is no "peaceful settlement" to be made. Russia are the invaders. Invaders get the fuck out. End this war of choice. Period.

Thanks for destroying your own false statements a few posts above and confirming yet again that you don't support a realistic peaceful settlement to the war