The Trump Economy

[CG2014]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

So, how goes the Trump economy?

The Trump economy is strong.


The Tariffs collected are helping to reduce the National Debt and Red Ink


https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/16/us-b...t-records.html

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

The only idiot here is a sodbuster from San Antonio. You clearly don't understand what is going on in the Trump economy and you don't have the financial IQ to take advantage of it. You're clearly losing in the Trump economy and I'm winning. The effects of Trumps inflation hasn't been felt yet as America is still reeling from the hike in inflation from the failed Biden Administration. I realize your mistake occurred when you were young as your parents failed you along with the education system. You're not on my level as you've been indoctrinated with propaganda but that's most of American society as a whole.

When you seen that chick the other day and posted your review you should have kindly asked her to remove the stick from your ass so she could have pegged you with a 12" dildo. That might bring you out of your coma as a misinformed American.

You are participating in the Thugocracy whether you want to or not and you're losing by parking your worthless dollars that are losing value in a zombie bank. What you can't come to realize is that you've been fed a lie your whole life and you can't break the mold even though you understand things are broken in the American economy. You're a typical American loser! I'm beating the daylights out of you in the Trump economy and I'm laughing at you.

btw, the only person who references themselves with the moniker you posted is the tejas digger. But don't be afraid to use my name. It is my handle.

Originally Posted by Precious_b

... But if you give a formal definition of suffering, i'll get back to you on it if it does not mean a love of the almighty dollar. ...

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Republicans have more cash and are more wealthy than your average Democrats.

That's it? Boy did I call it. Definite love of money.
This exclamation you made along the lines of doing what you want, when you want, or words to that affect...meh.

I like dealing with people who have a love of $$$ like yourself. Y'all are very easy to deal with in a client/server relation. You think you can get what you want by backing it with money. But *if* you had to deal with me, I don't operate like that. I ain't gonna jump. I don't place such a value on $$$ that you do. So, live that fallacy thinking you can do anything if you have $$$. But you can't. I learned that years ago when I had $$$ in my pocket but couldn't eat. And stories from family during the depression where they actually had money but couldn't do anything with it. Sounds strange, don't it.

But that ain't the donny economy. And as I stated, I retracted my interest in the question I made.

Thanks for trying to do whatever it was by points you were making off topic to me. It must have been done with that do what you want, when you want, etc. Did nothing for me.

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Hey sodbuster if the Trump economy has you down than maybe poker is your thing. There's a nice little poker room in Austin, TX called the Lodge Card Club Austin. Me and you heads up at Texas No-Limit Hold'em, $5K or $10K buy in, we don't stop until someone has it all. If you ever decided to play against me I would get under your skin and unnerve you so fast you'd be laughed off the table and more than likely quit.

Of course this is hypothetical as I know the rules to ECCIE but sometimes fantasy can become reality.

I'll be your huckleberry.

I don't gamble. I bet on a sure thing. But if you search my post here, I do have around $20,000 that i've been trying to give away but nobody will touch it. Only stipulation I have to it is to have said people prove/back up what they said.

Now Huckleberrys. Mmm. I think I might be the only member here that have picked and enjoyed the spoils of such. But I hear they have migrants doing illegal harvesting of such. But that is as far off topic i'll go along with you on.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

I don't gamble. I bet on a sure thing. But if you search my post here, I do have around $20,000 that i've been trying to give away but nobody will touch it. Only stipulation I have to it is to have said people prove/back up what they said.

You're a piker Precious_b. McCain's standard charge or bet is $100K.

Originally Posted by CG2014

The Trump economy is strong.


The Tariffs collected are helping to reduce the National Debt and Red Ink


https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/16/us-b...t-records.html

As the biggest critic of the tariffs on the board, I grudgingly have to admit they are raising revenues. But there are a lot more efficient ways to do that. Or better yet we should cut spending to lower the deficit.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You're a piker Precious_b. McCain's standard charge or bet is $100K.
...

LOL!
I bet some members got this earworm.



Yeah. I can see them two together. I'd think Lucas would be top hand there.

No more off topic on cpt comment.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

...Or better yet we should cut spending to lower the deficit.

Hey! Wait a hairy second!
What if we quit spending US $1.5 TRILLION for healthcare and services for people who are not Americans?!?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Hey! Wait a hairy second!
What if we quit spending US $1.5 TRILLION for healthcare and services for people who are not Americans?!?

I believe it’s the other way around WYID. The illegal immigrants subsidize our medical care and retirement. The majority and their employers pay withholding for social security, Medicare and Medicaid. But they’re only able to take money out of the system for emergency Medicaid.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

LOL!
I bet some members got this earworm.



Yeah. I can see them two together. I'd think Lucas would be top hand there.

No more off topic on cpt comment.

You do gamble, you save in dollars and you're not on my level. You're the one going off topic Democrat. Someone has to be here to put you in your place when you're talking in tongues. As a saver you're a loser in Trump's economy. Deal with it. I'm better than you.

[sand247]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I believe it’s the other way around WYID. The illegal immigrants subsidize our medical care and retirement. The majority and their employers pay withholding for social security, Medicare and Medicaid. But they’re only able to take money out of the system for emergency Medicaid.

That math doensn't math on any kind of real level. Real world experience, a vast majority take advantage of every benefit program they can, including SS/disability benefits for disability and the like. It's fairly easy in most dense illegal immigrant areas to get crooked doctors on board for those benefits. After that most of them will work for cash under the table, with the employers filing 1099s, if they bother, to people that don't exist.

I'll agree that there have been some high profile clean outs with people caught using SS that don't exist or belong to other people, but that is a very small percentage of the 20-30 million that live and work here.

To summarize, they take advantage of benefits that they do not contribute to, they do not pay most forms of taxes, ie income, property or state taxes, they pay sales tax like most of us. The cost to benefit ratio balances on the negative side for most of us that do not use them as a labor force. And on top of that, a vast majority of what they earn is not spent in our local economies, it's shipped home to the remainder of the families.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by CG2014

The Trump economy is strong.


The Tariffs collected are helping to reduce the National Debt and Red Ink


https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/16/us-b...t-records.html

The Trump economy overall is extremely weak just as it was under Biden but areas where the Trump economy is strong is the crypto, precious metals markets, and weapons manufacturers. The stock market is rigged and grossly overvalued, the National Debt is approaching 38 trillion and balloning, commercial real estate is a disaster, the US Dollar is a laughing stock where half the world is de-dollarizing, personal debt and credit card debt at the highest levels. CNBC is biased in their reporting and should be used as a reference and not completely trusted. CNBC doesn't even show the "real" precious metals prices for gold and silver on their website, they show the futures prices which are lower and not the correct world spot price but they don't come out and tell you that. Go to Kitco to see the real prices for gold and silver (the ask). CNBC is akin to CNN.

usdebtclock.org

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by sand247

That math doensn't math on any kind of real level. Real world experience, a vast majority take advantage of every benefit program they can, including SS/disability benefits for disability and the like. It's fairly easy in most dense illegal immigrant areas to get crooked doctors on board for those benefits. After that most of them will work for cash under the table, with the employers filing 1099s, if they bother, to people that don't exist.

I'll agree that there have been some high profile clean outs with people caught using SS that don't exist or belong to other people, but that is a very small percentage of the 20-30 million that live and work here.

To summarize, they take advantage of benefits that they do not contribute to, they do not pay most forms of taxes, ie income, property or state taxes, they pay sales tax like most of us. The cost to benefit ratio balances on the negative side for most of us that do not use them as a labor force. And on top of that, a vast majority of what they earn is not spent in our local economies, it's shipped home to the remainder of the families.

Hey Sand, I asked ChatGPT before posting earlier about the % of illegal immigrants who had social security/Medicare/Medicaid withheld from paychecks, and she said the majority. She cited studies, surveys or estimates from the Congressional Budget Office, Social Security Administration, Pew Research and ITEP. The four estimates collectively were that between 50% and 75% of illegals had withholding from paychecks.

If social security, etc. is being withheld, so are federal and state income taxes. Those that rent instead of buying homes, probably most, aren't directly paying property tax, but their landlords do. And we agree about the sales tax.

I suspect you're right about medical care, although not because of crooked doctors. If withholding is occurring, it means the immigrant has a fake social security number, and so perhaps he/she can use that to collect on Medicaid, even though it's illegal.

And you may be right at the state and local level, at least where we live in Texas. Illegal immigrants may take more out in state and local services than they pay in taxes. At the federal level they get screwed, paying lots more into the system than they'll get out. Admittedly that's true for many or most of us too. The political class in Washington, D.C. takes a lot and gives little in return.

My field research among Cuban strippers would indicate you're wrong in saying the vast majority of earnings get shipped home to families. Some of them spend more on nails, hair, new breasts and lipo than they send to Mom, Dad, sisters and brothers. I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing if many immigrants do scrimp and save and send a lot of what they make to family. People are truly destitute in some of these countries.