Buying Sex in Texas Is Now a Felony

[TinMan]

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It’s the way this world works. Always has been, and always will be.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by ketro

Wow, just wow.

A law designed to prohibit a woman from doing what she wants with her own body in pursuit of commerce? A law built around the idea that if a woman is selling her body, she must be trafficked, because she can't possibly do so of her own free will? And that's a war against men?

Some of y'all need to lay off whatever brain pills you're taking.

It's a war on people and their freedoms. Your points are good, but the practical observed effects, will be Felonious charges against innocent men, who are attempting to engage in their chosen form of recreation with a willing partner. and to say it represents a continuing attack on men is not reaching. Men are Society's punching bag, now that it's politically incorrect to punch almost any other demographic. Men lag women by a significant and growing margin in health care, life expectancy and education. Men are imprisoned and murdered at staggering levels, vis-a-vis women. Men are blamed for most of what is perceived to be ''wrong'', while getting little acclaim for having advanced standards of living all around the World.

Dismounting from my soapbox.. Carry on.

[Buckwiser]

Originally Posted by ketro

Wow, just wow.

A law designed to prohibit a woman from doing what she wants with her own body in pursuit of commerce? A law built around the idea that if a woman is selling her body, she must be trafficked, because she can't possibly do so of her own free will? And that's a war against men?

Some of y'all need to lay off whatever brain pills you're taking.

The law is designed to punish men with a felony. It is not designed to stop women from offering to sell because it doesnt increase the punishment for women offering to sell.

Wise up. Its a law and penalty proposed by a female politician and every male politician agreed with her and voted yes. Thats evidence of the power women have today in this political climate. This law would never have passed 30 years ago.

Dont be naive. The socialst and communist politicians in our midst are using anti sex laws to defeat what they call the "patriarchy." The femsle politician in Houston who proposed this law HATES men that offer to pay, and would like to RE-EDUCATE women who want to sell.

[ketro]

Originally Posted by Buckwiser

Its a law and penalty proposed by a female politician... Thats evidence of the power women have today in this political climate.

The socialst and communist politicians in our midst are using anti sex laws to defeat what they call the "patriarchy."

Got it. Women bad. Socialism bad. Patriarchy good. Have fun storming the castle!

[Buckwiser]

Originally Posted by ketro

Got it. Women bad. Socialism bad. Patriarchy good. Have fun storming the castle!

Good job. Now you are thinking right. Sorry to hear your boy Gov. Cuomo just resigned. I remember in the 1980s when it was legal to do everything he did. Those were good times for men.

Now you see, Cuomo's words below can aplly to this new TX law... shows women are redrawing the lines by making it a felony to do what we've been doing for thousands of years.

"Cuomo thanked “the women who came forward with sincere complaints,” and said that “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone. But I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn.”

“You taught me and you taught others an important lesson,” he concluded."

[ketro]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

It's a war on people and their freedoms.

Agree. There have always been people among us who want to tell other people how to live their lives, and there always will be. Sex work is marginalized because it's hard to defend on its own rights, and is therefore always at risk of attack by grandstanding politicians.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

the practical observed effects, will be Felonious charges against innocent men

A bit nitpicky, but not innocent. Not guilty, under the law, until conviction. The law criminalizes behavior we probably both agree shouldn't be criminal, or felonious. I seriously doubt anyone anyone not engaged in commercial sex (either recreational and consentual or coercive) will be dragged in by this law.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Men are Society's punching bag, now that it's politically incorrect to punch almost any other demographic.

How about not punching on anybody? I suppose that's unreasonable (because people have always liked to enforce power and control on others.) The phrase "politically incorrect" (and it's kissing cousin "cancel culture") are just virtue signals for a desire to return certain men to the top of a hierarchy that most of us were never really on top of to begin with.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Men lag women by a significant and growing margin in health care, life expectancy and education.

Yes, and intersectionality speaks to all of those. Rising tide, and all that.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Men are imprisoned and murdered at staggering levels, vis-a-vis women. Men are blamed for most of what is perceived to be ''wrong'', while getting little acclaim for having advanced standards of living all around the World.

Because they've been at the center of power and control for so long. Let women run things for a while, and they'll wind up in jail too. Crimes are just the exercise of abusive power. It says more about men's poisitions of power in society (from which they can be abusive) than their Y chromosome. The patriarchal society (which expects women be weaker than men and to fulfill their duty to raise children) has also created a bias of judicial leniency for women leading to reduced sentences.

As far as getting acclaim, things are complicated. We can look at European Renaissance art and see the pinnacle of human culture. And that's good. But the artists were also able to produce those works because there was an ultra-wealthy patron class, who possibly achieved that massive wealth through methods that we might find objectionable. Michaelangelo is great! The Catholic Church that hired him? It's complicated. Could there have been women artists who were as great as him? Probably not because they would never be given the chance to by the patronage system.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Dismounting from my soapbox.. Carry on.

Thanks for letting me get on mine for a few minutes.

[ketro]

Originally Posted by Buckwiser

Sorry to hear your boy Gov. Cuomo just resigned.

Somehow I think you're not any more sorry than I am. I'm glad he's not going to run for president. He's a shitty human being, son of a shitty human being, and we're all better off without him around.

And I thought that before any of the current accusations came out. One of these days New York will elect a decent politician to office and it will be the first time.

[onlyAMPs4menow]

JC. These guys who cut and paste each response and type away like anybody cares are f'n morons.

Just be safe, don't proposition a girl who isn't a confirmed hooker and be smart.

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by ketro

And I thought that before any of the current accusations came out. One of these days New York will elect a decent politician to office and it will be the first time.

I dunno. I think Teddy Roosevelt was pretty decent. FDR, too, if I focus on his later role as CinC. It’s been a dry run since, though.

[Chung Tran]

[QUOTE=ketro;106255332



Let women run things for a while, and they'll wind up in jail too. Crimes are just the exercise of abusive power. It says more about men's poisitions of power in society (from which they can be abusive) than their Y chromosome.[/QUOTE]

I agree with all you posted, but not this.

a few crimes are from power abuse. But the large majority are from powerlessness. Murder, robbery, rape? Those are executed by almost exclusively males who are societal outcasts. Women either do minor crimes like drug posession, or no crimes, but internalize and fuck themselves up.

[Ralph Fults]

Originally Posted by ketro

Somehow I think you're not any more sorry than I am. I'm glad he's not going to run for president. He's a shitty human being, son of a shitty human being, and we're all better off without him around.

And I thought that before any of the current accusations came out. One of these days New York will elect a decent politician to office and it will be the first time.

It’s a shame you can’t grab ‘em by the pussy any more.

[TinMan]

To the extent the new laws provide women with tools to screw over men, regardless of the law’s intent, the best strategy has been and continues to be: don’t be a dick.

[Big Ed]

You have radical feminists 'SWERFS' that want to ban all commercial sexuality and you have liberal feminists that want to let women have agency and autonomy over their bodies and lives and actually care about their financial situation in a holistic way. A lot of the liberal feminists that want to make sex work decriminalized are communist and socialist. A lot of the radical feminist that want to criminalize all sex work have a rather neoconservative streak.

The anti-sex work feminist are a throw back to the women's temperance movement in the US that originally outlawed prostitution and drinking back in the early 1900s. This intern has a throwback to the Puritan era.

The Nordic model is where women are not punished and men buying sex are sort of punished. In reality in Sweden where it first began, no man has ever gone to jail for purchasing sex up to this day. Texas is really doing something novel and different now.

I guess we can call this new concoction where women are punished rather harshly and men are punished extremely harshly the 'Texas Model' as it has never been tried before.

The idea for the Nordic model comes from Yankee feminist who crusaded against porn and all sorts of commercial sexuality for decades. Some are also pushing the Texas model. They are also pushing that Sweden start throwing people in jail.

I think with most legal moral principles you run into problems when there's a great asymmetry in the law.
It's like when one unmentionable is punished so much worse than another unmentionable even though they are chemically pretty much the same substance. Someone just doesn't like the look of one person doing one thing versus the other. Anyway the 'crime' of selling sex and buying sex is remarkably similar from a moral guilt perspective if you think about it objectively. The radical feminist argument gets around this by claiming that all adult sex workers are really overgrown kids that lack agency because mentally they're unable to make decisions for themselves due to past trauma that has put them in a zombie-like state. Even though at this point women have more money than men do in the United States on average, they claim too that men have an unfair economic leverage to abuse women.

There a lot of women out there that want to chop the balls off of men who purchase sex in any situation. These women have been properly propagandized I guess. The truth is a huge percentage of sex traffickers are women. Since the rise of agriculture women have been the slaves of men in our culture. (Although most people were slaves in general for what it's worth).

I just hope in our information age where muscle means nothing and the propensity for teamwork and higher education advantages women they will take pity on us men. I guess in this instance that will not be the case.

[ketro]

Originally Posted by Big Ed

I just hope in our information age where muscle means nothing and the propensity for teamwork and higher education advantages women they will take pity on us men.

It's not the women you need to worry about. It's the fucking robots.

[Buckwiser]

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