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Let me just say that I feel a lot of ladies tie way too much of their self worth into what someone is willing to pay for their time. My self worth comes from many things... my vagina is way on down the list. If a gent makes me an offer that I have to refuse, then that isn't a reflection on my worth as a human.. it is a reflection of what the gent is either willing (or able) to pay. Plain, simple, not worth fussing about.
People get too tied up in emotion with this business. At the end of the day, we are still a commodity. A luxury commodity, sure... but still a commodity. My rates change drastically based on what part of the country I am in. I can easily get away with a 300-350 rate in Boston. But if I attempted that in Dallas with what I'm working with... times would be super lean. It is a market based industry. And I've also never had a problem with negotiating special deals for returning friends. I'd rather have a solid handful of loyal returning gents than have to spend a lot of time advertising and screening for new ones. To me... its worth 20-40 bucks to have that level of customer loyalty.
I can't afford anyone on the east coast lol. Texas is Ming lol
I don't haggle on price either, the one thing that gets me and quite honestly pisses me off is when I see reviews and all the reviews have a certain price and then when the session is over the girl tells me, "no that's not my rate, I went up"
Hi wake up the law of economics applies if you have a pussy and I have the money. Only often hedging is not linear due to multiple variables. As many of my fellow hobbyists have stated in other posts the dollar paid is not proportional to the satisfaction but it is an individual preference. Haggling is not the best option here though but making a decision with a balanced big head and little head is recommended. That is the challenge. My friends have recommended caroline and she is next on my list. Your response please.
I will pay Caroline's fee without haggling. Economic decision made. By the way wake up you are amazing. I have been to three safaries one in tanzania, another in southafrica and the third one Malaysia (national park), I do not think you have the grace of an elephant. May I suggest a jackal cunning but mostly a scavenger. It does irritates the other animals in the planet not to mention the lion who is known as the king of the jungle. Think of this one.
I will pay Caroline's fee without haggling. Economic decision made.
Smart move, if there's one thing I've learned in my short time here, is that there are that 5%, the upscale high class ladies that live outside the norm. Where normal economics don't apply. They don't need whatever you have to offer, they have 100+ devoted regulars who supply all their needs. Haggle with them and run the risk of getting put on their do not see list, that would be your lose not theirs. Look at the avatars and you'll see a repeated pattern of one provider who sets the standard that few can meet.
WU, you disappoint me, you're usually so observant.
Did you miss the part where you were compared to the jackal, a scavenger iterating to most of the creatures on this planet? Somehow not so amazing.
My friends have recommended caroline and she is next on my list.
Caroline is a fine lady Caligula, you will be pleased (: feel free to give her my name as a reference when you are ready for her. I will let her know what a kind gentleman you are (:
That is a perfectly legitimate, polite question, asking about specials. I get such requests frequently, and am happy to respond. Most of the time there is a Fancy package that will suit the gentleman. Human nature to seek out the best value for the hard-earned buck.
That is not haggling. Haggling is when, right off the bat, someone names the price that HE is willing to pay for whatever reason, even if nowhere close to the stated amount, and insinuates that the service or product is only worth what he is willing to shell out.No, that is being insulting. Haggling is "to dispute or bargain persistently" your rate down to increments of less than $5 during negotiation. That would be haggling.
Haggling is also when a guy arrives after booking a much longer amount of time and then wants to whittle his appointment down to however much cash he brought with him, usually far short of what he agreed upon originally.No, that is being a broke ass piece of shit who needs to be chasing streetwalkers but targets low hanging fruit in hope of success. He shouldn't pass screening if he does this as an MO. But not haggling!
In the Hobby, both are disrespectful,Yes but in totally different ways. The first may be insulting but is easy for you to not have an interest and just say no," I am not interested in what your offering, I consider it an insult" and go on. If you open the door to negotiations than so be it. He has succeeded in step one. If you practice "positional bargaining" he may resort to haggling. The second is a low life opportunistic, scum bag who has entered into an agreement which was assumed to be in good faith and then at closing changed the terms negating the agreement. (I hate to say it but this happens in real estate all the time,) But, in your case, it is not haggling, haggling would be to have the full donation in his pocket and upon inspecting the goods at his arrival, then attempting to reach a new price where he feels he is not being taken advantage of by paying more than he feels is fair. If he failed to have the donation in full than he is just a scumbag who saw an opportunity and tried to see if you would go for it. He not only wasted his time but took advantage of yours. I would assume this would be a very demeaning experience but it is NOT haggling.
I would guess you would go on a tantrum when either of these scenarios occurs, Just like the executive who runs over his minutes, when you control the clock, then does not offer to pay the overtime. His failure to mention the cost of the overrun is disrespectful, his failure to tip is a rude discourtesy, yet many mongers only bring the donation and nothing else, it is the gentleman who has a tip stashed in his pocket to reward above and beyond service. He certainly would not be considered a haggler and nor should he be accused of trying to control you as stated in an earlier post. NONE of these are hagglers. and the second is no different than shorting the lady.You certainly were used in the later situation especially if you had to drive from another location, prepare the incall and yourself just to have someone want to change the allotted time to meet his expendable budget but it is not haggling She put aside that specific amount of time for the fellow when she might (key word might) have accepted another reservation. If you didn't need the money you should have sent him packing, called him out by name and black listed him. What did you do? Take what money he had, adjust time and activities proportionately, sent him happily on his way, and then whine about it in a way that makes him look like he stole pussy from you. Did he write a review?
"Appears from this thread that haggling, negotiating, and asking about specials is all being talked about in the same breath, and they shouldn't be. Three different sentences in a larger paragraph."
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Haggling an assertive form of negotiating that is persistent, sometimes crude, form of positional bargaining. Often the parties will never do business again and if they do they will be even more relentless. They are just pounding out the cost and the terms not dealing with much else. Negotiation is normally dealing with several different aspects of a business arrangement. While rewarding stubbornness and deception often times negotiation requires the parties to work together over long periods of time and over many issues and therefor are done in more civilized terms. Both haggling and negotiating require both parties to have a goal of reaching an agreement. Failing to reach an agreement means that no money changes hands. I prefer a joint problem solving approach to negotiating, a purposeful, meaningful approach to solving problems. It is more difficult but reaps better results in resolving issues. Asking about specials, in the hobby, is purely information gathering to source what the monger wants and needs where he can get the most for his money. In this business as in most it costs more to get a customer to do business with you the first time and often at a lower margin, but if he returns the cost of doing business is less and the client's buying defenses are certainly lowered, allowing selling of additional hours, fetish services, or more regular sessions. Asking about specials is asking for a reason to come see you over another hooker. he does not know anything about you except what he can learn through reviews, ads, and reading your opinions in posts such as this. maybe your first question should be "why are you looking for in a session? by asking about specials are you on a budget? What do you really want offered in a special. Maybe we can work something out as I like the way you think. May I get some initial information from you?" Screen him and then decide how badly you want his business
Appears from this thread that haggling, negotiating, and asking about specials is all being talked about in the same breath, and they shouldn't be.
I think you need to understand that haggling is a form of negotiation and both can be done in a civil or as a rude, confrontational manner, sometimes you must have a combination of both to unlock what you really need to know to strike a deal. I personally feel that information gathering) asking about specials) is not rude in the hobby. If I was in Houston (Very rare for me) and had to adhere to a strict budget in able to not be questioned by my S.O. and really wanted to see for example XYZ provider yet I was $50 shy of her stated donation, I would at least approach her with the idea of seeing me at a reduced rate even if I had to agree to have to accept less activities or a slightly shorter time than is offered in a normal session, and seeing what response I received. I do not feel that I am being disrespectful by explaining my situation and asking for any concession she found acceptable. I certainly an not haggling, I am not negotiating although it may require some form to reach an arrangement. Such as a bottle of her favorite wine that would be easily explained to the S.O. I am simply asking for the opportunity to be considered utilizing the tools I have access to at the moment.
I am going to make a quote with permission and then tell it haw I see it, than I hope you like lyrics.
I believe Caroline Davenport said if best
"All that being said, I'd never let pride get in the way of my well being or my bottom line. If I needed $200, and someone offered me $200, you'd best believe I'd take it in a heartbeat and count my lucky stars. The need just hasn't arisen yet."
I will state it in my own way;She doe's not deviate from her stated rate because she does not have to. She have worked hard, developed a good customer base that builds from within via marketing yet without large amounts of advertising specials, and have reached a point where she does not have cash flow concerns. If she was $200 short of meeting obligations such as payroll, for her highly regarded assistant, and an offer was made of $200, she would accept the $200 but she is not there and does not intend to ever be again.
Even the best in the business understand the importance of cash flow.
And she said, "We must get together"
But I knew it'd never be arranged
Then she handed me twenty dollars for a two-fifty fare
She said, "Harry, keep the change"
Well another man might have been angry
And another man might have been hurt
But another man never would have let her go
I stashed the bill in my shirt.
I get where you are coming from. If you were to be contacted by a lady, one that is a very good looking one and who you would normally paid her full rate, no problem, but she asked you that you pay for her full rate but, instead of full service for an hour, she is willing to offer her services for 45 min, cbj (even though her reviews say bbbj). Then, when yku turned her down, she posted a thread on how cheap you are and thah you probably didn't take her up on your offer because your penis is small and you are a premature ejaculator.
Does it make any sense to you? Of course not. Not basically, that is what's going on here...
