The glory days of the HDH are over.

[LOOKING-XXX-RATED]

I totally agree with the originator of this thread. For most dawgs it boils down to a piece of ass with the expectation that the provider be somewhat attractive to the dawg putting down the duckets, and reasonably professional and curtios in her demeanor towards the dawg.

The two things that truely turned the hobby against the HDH and their presumed exclusive ownership attitude towards the hobby and being able to tease guys for top dollar and provide minimum service was the onset of Viagra and Internet. The internet has especially opened the door for more mass marketing of providers in every market and as the economy gets tougher and jobs harder to find you will see more and more hot 20 somethings out of college trading their personal talents for a living after all the law of supply and demand never changes, if side by side one provider looks, services, and interacts just as well as one charging $200 more she will get the action as long as she maintains her service.

Before Viagra and the internet, generally you had these old wealthy businessmen with more money than looks, appeal, and sexual ability. They were willing to pay a hot secretary, or female sales rep $400-1000 just for a evening out, which was basically dinner out, maybe drinks at a exclusive club where the guy could build his esteem by showing off to his colleagues his hot young arm candy, if anything sexual was involved it was generally a blow job, and it probably did not have to be a very good one because the guy probably popped just watching the back of this hot young things head go down into his lap, and he was finished.

Then along came viagra, now not only could sugar daddy lick the jar, but he could once again stir the pot like he use to when he was 20 or so years younger. These so called HDH that were use to getting paid $400-$1000 to go out and eat at top dollar steak houses and exclusive clubs for the evening now was faced with a big hard cock at the end of the evening that was not going down until papa got everything he wanted, and by god why shouldn't he after all he has paid this chick 4 times what her regular salary as a secretary is for a week for just a 4 hour evening. Then being businessmen with access to computers and the internet they started seeing sites like ASPD, EROS, craigslist, backpage etc. They started seeing girls way hotter than his 36 year old secretary offering a evening out topped by a PSE for $500-600 dollars. They started seeing all of these hot college cheerleader and playboy bunnie types offering over night dates for the same thing he was paying his secretary that gave a lame ass blowjob.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

. I've had other hobbies that I haven't spent anywhere near the money I've spent in this hobby.

I heard Tudor listed his comic book collection on craigslist to fund his last couple of dates

[Guest042015]

so your suggesting a provider style priceline? name your own price and see if it gets accepted? Im intrigued

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

I heard Tudor listed his comic book collection on craigslist to fund his last couple of dates

My "collection" of five strips cut out of the Sunday paper in 1960 wouldn't fund a blowpop, much less **2** dates.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by DDMcGee

so your suggesting a provider style priceline? name your own price and see if it gets accepted? Im intrigued

Well, I never thought of it quite like that...but I think it has merit. You think we could get Shatner to do the promo????

[discreetgent]

Originally Posted by Ansley

What's with this over-under? For you it's a hobby. For a lot us it's a living. Stop trying to play games with our rates.

Hey Ansley, that's not a fair statement. First off Charles has stated before he does not negotiate on rates, as have many of the other gents on this forum. Second, we all know that usually once a gent is a regular - whatever that may mean to a lady - and especially one that goes for longer dates that rates are discussed.

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

Hey Ansley, that's not a fair statement. First off Charles has stated before he does not negotiate on rates, as have many of the other gents on this forum. Second, we all know that usually once a gent is a regular - whatever that may mean to a lady - and especially one that goes for longer dates that rates are discussed.

I apologize to Charles for insinuating that he negotiates. You are correct DG regular clients are usually able to discuss rates with a lady.

To me talking about over-under and a third party seemed like games to me.

[Katy Alexander]

I don't know Charles, I have never liked the idea of people paying different rates besed on how agressive they are.It seems as if the less experienced men would end up getting screwed ( and not in a nice way).

As far as the original post goes I have no idea if there is a decline in HDHs. I would first need to know what an HDH is (Maybe I should start a new post on what qualifys as a HDH )I do still notice a decent number of women in my area who keep higher than average rates.I think that many do not look at themselves as HDHs, but are simply part timers with day jobs who can afford to be choosy about who they see, and the rates/times they offer.That is what is great about this business even in a truly bad economy there is still a smaller niche market for those who approach this business in a slightly different manner.

Edit to add....Charles you may want to check some of the womens ads for specials.It may be a better way for you to meet someone who would otherwise be out of your price range.

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Some ladies charge more than others...wives, for instance.

OTOH, I would suggest that some hobbyists and providers engage in an "over-under" negotiation. The provider PMs the hobbyist (through a third party, of course) the lowest amount for which she will see him (not her lowest rate, but the lowest amount), and the hobbyist does the same, but uses the highest amount he will pay. Once the statements are in, it is understood that the parties will split the difference and agree to that figure as the donation amount. Could make for some interesting stuff.

It would probably work especially well where the provider is willing, but doesn't want to lower her rates.

[Camille]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

Hey Ansley, that's not a fair statement. First off Charles has stated before he does not negotiate on rates, as have many of the other gents on this forum. Second, we all know that usually once a gent is a regular - whatever that may mean to a lady - and especially one that goes for longer dates that rates are discussed.

Agree with you both (DG and Ansley). I actually read the post (by Charles)to mean the under-over issue was to enable the bartering of rates BEFORE they became a regular...otherwise why would you use a third party? You'd negotiate directly no? Not a reflection on how Charles does things...but perhaps the point needs better clarifying in his post. I do agree with you DG though that regular arrangements are discussed and often discounted. No question about that. Either way, people should only do what they are comfortable with..whether that pertains to rates, screening, travel, incall/outcall etc.

C

[charlestudor2005]

interesting observations, Becky. See below for my observations:

Originally Posted by Becky

I don't know Charles, I have never liked the idea of people paying different rates besed on how agressive they are.It seems as if the less experienced men would end up getting screwed ( and not in a nice way). I don't consider myself "less experienced" in the hobby, but neither do I negotiate. So, sometimes, I have felt I have paid more of a fee than I should have...but that's entirely on me.

As far as the original post goes I have no idea if there is a decline in HDHs. I would first need to know what an HDH is (Maybe I should start a new post on what qualifys as a HDH ) Since I first looked at your webpage about a year ago, I have considered you a HDH. But this is me. I don't know if others would consider you one. I do still notice a decent number of women in my area who keep higher than average rates. Although I think rates is a big part of determining an HDH, I don't think it is the sole index. There are other indecipherables, which I think vary a great deal from one provider to another. , and they I think that many do not look at themselves as HDHs, but are simply part timers with day jobs who can afford to be choosy about who they see, and the rates/times they offer.That is what is great about this business even in a truly bad economy there is still a smaller niche market for those who approach this business in a slightly different manner.

Edit to add....Charles you may want to check some of the womens ads for specials. FWIW, I keep a close eye on these things. IMHO, the # of specials has gone down dramatically since I first got into the hobby. The ads haven't stopped, but they tend not to offer specials where they used to do so. Specials used to be rampant on ASPD & later on ECCIE (not so much) especially in the Weekend Lineup section. In the last year, ads continue to be posted...but no discount rates. The same everyday rates apply. It may be a better way for you to meet someone who would otherwise be out of your price range.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Camille

Agree with you both (DG and Ansley). I actually read the post (by Charles)to mean the under-over issue was to enable the bartering of rates BEFORE they became a regular...otherwise why would you use a third party? You'd negotiate directly no? Not a reflection on how Charles does things...but perhaps the point needs better clarifying in his post. I do agree with you DG though that regular arrangements are discussed and often discounted. No question about that. Either way, people should only do what they are comfortable with..whether that pertains to rates, screening, travel, incall/outcall etc.

C

Yeah, I meant it as an entirely new system in a depressed economy between relative strangers. I've used it successfully in other types of businesses. But like I said, if it won't work, it won't work.

[Camille]

I think it would work for some people..let's not bullshit about that (not meaning you...just in general). Barters are to be had in places. But people tend to have strong opinions on it one way or another...either a firm "yes" or a firm "no." Complex navigation for sure...

C

[pjorourke]

There are multiple dimension to this subject. As shown in the diagram, there is a variation in cost (from low at top to high at bottom) and a variation in involvement (from left to right). In my experience, few ladies fit squarely in any one category, exhibiting properties of each. It has also been my experience that most gentlemen (myself included) sample all along these continuum.

[Tiffany Cums]

I don't know about any of this...I just wanna have fun!

But thank you to the OP, there is a lot of history that I didn't know.

[Ansley]

If this has been covered in the past please forgive me. What is the difference between a sugar baby and mistress?