Mandate Health Insurance?

[nwarounder]

Is there anything in Obamacare that stops illegal aliens from getting free care on the taxpayers dime at emergency rooms? I'm seriously asking for I have not read it.

[waverunner234]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

The only way to have a functional health care system is to require everyone to buy into it.

The folks who insist they do not need to will eventually end up costing the system more when sudden emergencies force them into the hospitals.

Different countries around the world have experimented with different strategies for affordable health insurance for their citizens, but the only method that works is the one where everyone is required to have insurance.

Look at car insurance. If it was not mandatory, irresponsible drivers would wreck the lives of the responsible drivers.

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[waverunner234]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Is there anything in Obamacare that stops illegal aliens from getting free care on the taxpayers dime at emergency rooms? I'm seriously asking for I have not read it.

What an extremely STUPID question. You must be a Santorum voter.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Is there anything in Obamacare that stops illegal aliens from getting free care on the taxpayers dime at emergency rooms? I'm seriously asking for I have not read it.

right now they get free care...so are you pissed now about it or not? I'm just asking.......I haven't read anywhere where you are

[JD Barleycorn]

I really think you should read some of the stuff that I linked to. I was about to say that you would change your mind but that is not what liberals do. Instead you might be more careful about what you post without reading. I have a life so I've only just started but;
Obama was publicly against the individual mandate when he was a candidate and used that to attack Hillary and her Hillary care. Does that make him the biggest liar in the world? Probably.
The Heritage Foundation has written about a lot of things but if you read them it doesn't mean that they endorse them. They are a think tank. The first one written (only 11 pages) it critical of European style healthcare particularly of the English. When it was written it was already apparent that only rationing would save the system if it could be saved. It was costing way more than predicted. The HF also predicted that the Canadian system would run into rationing problems in order to save costs. This turned out to be too true.
The HF talked about four different ways to pay for universal health insurance (which is actually a misnomer, it is not universal) including a tax credit on provided healthcare, an employer mandate, a household mandate, and a individual mandate. The HF discussed the pros and cons of both (does that mean they support it?). What you really get is that the HF saw a future problem, didn't like the European solution, but had disagreements on how to do it in the US. There are a few more reports to read.
If we're digging into history (inaccurately as it is) remember that the Patriot Act was written by Joe Biden in 1995. Now repeat that because it will come up again in the future.

[nwarounder]

Why is that stupid? Are the emergency rooms in Cali not overflooded with illegal aliens that do not pay? It is a major problem that attributes to millions of dollars in losses to the hospitals. You can't even get in an emergency room here after 5:00 p.m. if you are not arriving by ambulance.

[JD Barleycorn]

A forgotten part of this discussion. SHOULD the federal government be in the business of providing healthcare for everyone. I object to the left position that healthcare is a default and anything else is abnormal. The words already written here prove that. We have to question the concept. What happens when government provides something? We have seen the evidence around the world and it has not been good. Why would American healthcare be any different. That is what some in the HF were driving at. Universal healthcare but only with the mandate but what happens then and does the Constitution allow it. I have read the Constitution but didn't see that.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by WTF

right now they get free care...so are you pissed now about it or not? I'm just asking.......I haven't read anywhere where you are

Yes, it pisses me off that my health insurance is some damn high because so many manipulate the system with no remorse.

[cptjohnstone]

JD, didn't Eisenhower first propose the voting rights act but LBJ blocked it so he could credit, latter on?

[JD Barleycorn]

I don't know yet but I do know that the democrats had a veto proof majority in Congress from 1959 to 1969and a simple majority during four of Eisenhower's eight years. The other four years they could filibuster anything to death. Eisenhower only got passed what he could shame them into. Which brings us to 1964 and the Civil Rights Act. The democrats controlled the Senate with a veto proof majority and it took the GOP supporting the act to get it passed. Of course that means that a large number of democrats opposed voting by black people.

[cptjohnstone]

yea, that is what I was thinking, "Civil Rights Act". I worked my butt off this weekend with all the rain we have had, hence, very tired

[waverunner234]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Why is that stupid? Are the emergency rooms in Cali not overflooded with illegal aliens that do not pay? It is a major problem that attributes to millions of dollars in losses to the hospitals. You can't even get in an emergency room here after 5:00 p.m. if you are not arriving by ambulance.

The task of an emergency room is to give emergency care when it is needed.
Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not their task to check ID's or DL's. We have Law Enforcement Agencies for that.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by waverunner234

The task of an emergency room is to give emergency care when it is needed.
Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not their task to check ID's or DL's. We have Law Enforcement Agencies for that.

Wow, you are really ignorant. Who is going to pay for all this emergency care if hospitals are not required to know who they are treating and who should pay the bill? Maybe you are thinking the magic fairy is going to pay for all this?

[Grifter]

FG drivers insurance doesnt apply to everyone and you dont have to have it if you dont drive. Health insurance applies to a lot more people and offers no alternatives like drivers insurance. IE you dont have to drive.

[Don't Be Daft!]

As someone who is in the healthcare industry I've researched this issue at all levels. Prior to becoming an American citizen I practiced my profession in the UK. As most know our healthcare(UK) is all government run--NHS. So, it comes as no surprise that I and many of my countrymen are a wee bit alarmed that this is even a debate. America is the most wealthy country in the world after all. It is simply daft to think healthcare isn't available to all of America's populous. Its a bloody human right. And, in my opinion that is the crux to the whole bloody argument isn't it? Sure, the poor have a healthcare option but it isn't anywhere as brilliant as private healthcare. The Medicaid program has too many long wait times for important procedures. Along with too many financial short cuts which results in the mismanagement of its poorest clients. An example of this would be diagnostic testing for certain lymphoma's or leukemia's. If it is thought a patient has a particular type of leukemia but also has lymphatic involvement then there needs to be further testing. And, that's also the problem. Your Medicaid program frowns upon this pricy testing. It deems it as unnecessary due to its cost. There in lies the problem! Indeed, it is pricy. But, cutting a corner to make a quicker diagnosis isn't the answer. And, obviously it is counterproductive as far as the patients good health is concerned. I reckon this is why the political left has resorted to slogans such as, "Hope you don't get sick because if you do you'll die!" Obviously, this is an extreme case and not all poor people who have a life threatening illnesses die. However, far too many of America's financially burdened are getting the minimal care for illnesses that privatized healthcare is sorting from day one.

I think it is important to realize not every poor person in America is a "meth" addicted individual. And, not every individual is living on government money and having multiple children solely for the benefits. There are loads of individuals that are from all walks of life who have simply fallen on hard times(blue collar as well as white collar ex-executives). One should try to think of the coal miner in western Pennsylvania who is out of work and therefore hasn't proper healthcare. And, Cobra is far too expensive to maintain. Especially, for blokes who are out of work.

It is my opinion that this is 100% a humanity issue. To consider "not" having such an option is simply inhuman as well as daft.