The lid is going to blow off the 2020 election in Georgia!

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You might also want to do some research on who exactly failed to keep the DHS databases complete, accurate and up to date.

Here's what my AI research assistant informed me. It takes time to clean up all of the Biden/Harris immigration fuck-ups!!


"Under the Biden administration, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) experienced significant, widespread lapses in tracking, record-keeping, and filing of immigrant data.

Lost Tracking of Immigrants and Children

Missing Unaccompanied Minors: A Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Office of Inspector General (OIG) report indicated that as of May 2024, the government lost track of over 320,000 migrant children, including over 291,000 who were not issued Notices to Appear in court and 32,000 who failed to appear for hearings.

Missing Addresses: Investigations found that for more than 25,000 migrants released from custody, no address was recorded in their files, making them impossible to track.

Unvetted Sponsors: The HHS/DHS failed to adequately track unaccompanied children, with reports stating that in some cases, children were placed with unvetted sponsors.

Loss of Data and Filing Failures

Court Cases Dismissed: Due to a failure by DHS to file "Notice to Appear" (NTA) paperwork, nearly 200,000 deportation cases were dismissed by immigration judges.

Parole Tracking Failures: A July 2025 OIG report confirmed that DHS failed to monitor or enforce parole expiration for over 61,000 parolees.

Withdrawal of Data Collection: The Biden administration withdrew a Trump-era plan that would have expanded the collection of biometric data (such as DNA, face prints, and iris scans) from immigrants."

That's adorable research you put almost no effort into. The SAVE system was updated by DOGE and part of a slap dash Trump mandate and came out partially baked.

SAVE doesn't compare DNA, face prints, hand prints, fingerprints, stool samples or iris scans on that type of query, valued poster.

The issue also wasn't sponsors, missing NPA's or parole tracking. The system incorrectly missed the part of the records where a naturalized citizen became a naturalized citizen.

When you're spouting off about irrelevant DHS issues instead of the actual errors in the SAVE system in question I'm rarely shocked you end up being so far out in left field that you're in the parking lot unable to see the action.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

The right thing would be not disenfranchising legal voters chasing a statistical anomaly when you don't have your own shit together.

Thanks, though

Nope. I already explained to you we would design the process so that no legal voters need be disenfranchised. Your objection is neutered. The RIGHT THING TO DO is start cross-checking the databases now.

And here's an interesting "statistical anomaly" for you. In California, they rely largely on voter registration records to select citizens for jury duty. Each year, up to 450,000 people in CA are disqualified/excused from jury duty for not being a US citizen.

Can you give me one good reason why CA should not be required to automatically cross-check and remove from its voter rolls anyone who is excused from jury duty due to non-citizenship?

DO THE RIGHT THING!

[HDGristle]

We? You're not designing anything that's getting used in an election

How many in that 450k voted? I love when you chase phantom problems. Exposes exactly how shallow your grasp of the facts is.

Thread is about GA, btw.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Don't be ridiculous. You're looking for ANY lame excuse not to do the right thing!

I said let's put a non-partisan 3rd party in charge of the process. Anyone who thinks he/she is being disenfranchised in error will have the opportunity to show up with proof of citizenship and be kept on the voter rolls.

Just because voter registration clean-up efforts are not guaranteed to be 100% perfect is NOT a reason to avoid them altogether!

Who would be the 3rd party involved and surely it would become partisan as soon as it got funding from the government?

Also- just a claim that someone isn't eligible to vote , could be in defacto - a NON vote for that person, if they had either been away or didn't know that their status was in question till voting day.

Imagine that- you're a tax payer, who lives in the local area-(doesnt' matter if you are the owner) , and your pissed off REDHAT neighbor claims you moved out- when you were in your winter house in Florida-(rental) and they say you don't live there anymore- Cleared from the slate of voters and you come back to vote-...."sorry but concerned citizen - Lusty said you're not in that house and you've got to prove it, 10 days prior to the election"- and today is election day. "SO Sorry- but you cannot vote".


See-.....not such a great idea. I think you simply need to prove that you have a domicile in local the area, AND once you meet the criteria for that state's voting eligibility and acceptable standing- aka not a felon, and you're good to go. If you vote and you are not a citizen, on a fed election, you just committed a felony. There is no reason to not hold ppl accountable for their actions AFTER they do harm. But in the USA you are innocent till proven guilty. In your GOP world, you have to prove youre innocence and eligibility to get the 'priveledge' to vote.

Wait----I thought voting was a right given to all citizens?!

NO???

kinda like the 12th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments along with Article 1 of the constitution. But other than that- I guess you dudes who are adorned in RED head coverings are surely able to be better judges of who is able to vote than anyone else. (sarcasm)

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

That's adorable research you put almost no effort into.

Naaah... what's adorable is how you can't refute any of it. Or ask yourself the big question - were all those Biden/Harris fuck-ups intentional?


The issue also wasn't sponsors, missing NPA's or parole tracking. The system incorrectly missed the part of the records where a naturalized citizen became a naturalized citizen.

Huh? You say unvetted sponsors, losing track of 320k migrant kids, and massive parole monitoring failures are non-issues? We're talking about how Biden/Harris fucked up the DHS immigration data. When you don't vet, don't monitor, and don't file paperwork on time, you are completely fucking up the records! My research assistant is very much ON POINT!

Nothing hard about adding a cross-check for naturalized citizens either. I applaud them. They did everything legally. I want them to be proud of their citizenship. They followed the rules and deserve to vote!


When you're spouting off about irrelevant DHS issues instead of the actual errors in the SAVE system in question I'm rarely shocked you end up being so far out in left field that you're in the parking lot unable to see the action.

You're the one who is way out in left field. If this was Forbes Field, you would be sitting in Squirrel Hill. If it was PNC Park, you'd be in Aspinwall.

Haven't 25 states agreed to use the SAVE system to clean up their voter rolls? If you don't like it, then propose an alternative way to ensure non-citizens are purged from the voter rolls. You know deep down it's the RIGHT THING TO DO!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

How many in that 450k voted? I love when you chase phantom problems. Exposes exactly how shallow your grasp of the facts is.

Doesn't matter if they voted or not - NON-CITIZENS DO NOT BELONG ON OUR VOTER ROLLS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Get them off the rolls, k? It's not a "phantom problem" at all! The 450k number is FACTUAL EVIDENCE there is a problem in need of fixing. And you have completely dodged my question:

Can you give me one good reason why CA should not be required to automatically cross-check and remove from its voter rolls anyone who is excused from jury duty due to non-citizenship?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You're the one who is way out there. If this was Forbes Field, you would be sitting in Squirrel Hill.

Haven't 25 states agreed to use the SAVE system to clean up their voter rolls? If you don't like it, then propose an alternative way to ensure non-citizens are purged from the voter rolls. You know deep down it's the RIGHT THING TO DO!

States have multiple procedures in place already that keep the voter rolls updated and accurate.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...-roll-accuracy
Voter rolls have received increased attention in recent years as conspiracy theorists have falsely claimed that inaccurate rolls have led to widespread fraud. Members of the public are generally unaware of the many procedures in place to update the rolls to continually improve their accuracy and the additional steps in place to prevent fraud. Bad actors are exploiting this education gap to spread false information and erode trust in our elections.

This push by the Trump administration is more likely to cause problems and inaccuracies than provide any kind of real proof of voter fraud.

All it seems to be doing in my opinion is furthering voter fraud conspiracies and lowering people’s confidence in the election process.

Why would anyone want that?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Can you give me one good reason why CA should not be required to automatically cross-check and remove from its voter rolls anyone who is excused from jury duty due to non-citizenship?

Who says they don’t?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

But in the USA you are innocent till proven guilty. In your GOP world, you have to prove youre (sic) innocence and eligibility to get the 'priveledge' (sic) to vote.

It's very sad that you consider this to be a "GOP world" issue. It should be a priority of EVERY US citizen - whether D or R - to protect the integrity of the vote.

Do you have a problem with DUI checkpoints? You're presumed innocent unless you look or smell impaired. Then you may have to perform a field sobriety test.

Same with voter rolls. Everyone on it is presumed eligible to vote. Unless & until your name/address pops up on another database for non-citizens. Then you have some 'splaining to do.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It's very sad that you consider this to be a "GOP world" issue. It should be a priority of every US citizen - whether D or R - to protect the integrity of the vote.

Do you have a problem with DUI checkpoints? You're presumed innocent unless you look or smell impaired.

Same with voter rolls. Everyone on it is presumed eligible. Unless & until your name/address pops up on another database for non-citizens. Then you have some 'splaining to do.

And you wonder why this country is as fucked up as it is. It took a generation to dumb people down. Just as Reagan warned. But here we are. Some people just don’t give a fuck about free and fair elections.

[bambino]

WOAH �� 38,000 ballots arrived at 3:45 a.m. after Election Day in Michigan during the 2020 election

- OVER 100% VOTER TURNOUT
- 40,000 voters registered to vote 2 DAYS BEFORE the election
- Over 100,000 votes “mismatched” in poll books
- NONE of the names on processed ballots were found in the regular electronic poll books
- 17,327 dead people voted, verified with Michigan online obituaries
- Poll challengers were not allowed to continue legal duties
- Ballots with no attached names
- Ballots with impossible details, like a person born in 1921 but supposedly registered to vote in 1900 (21 years before birth)
- Ballots observed being backdated from November 4 to November 2, with poll workers entering data, including fake dates
- As much as a 120% voter turnout (clear voter fraud)

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Who says they don’t?

I do. Now prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

States have multiple procedures in place already that keep the voter rolls updated and accurate.

Well, I wish all states could be more like Florida. They overhauled their processes and procedures following the 2000 election, where you will recall Bush beat Gore by a little over 500 votes. Florida implemented a slew of common sense reforms, raising public confidence in voting integrity.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Doesn't matter if they voted or not - NON-CITIZENS DO NOT BELONG ON OUR VOTER ROLLS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Get them off the rolls, k? It's not a "phantom problem" at all! The 450k number is FACTUAL EVIDENCE there is a problem in need of fixing. And you have completely dodged my question:

Can you give me one good reason why CA should not be required to automatically cross-check and remove from its voter rolls anyone who is excused from jury duty due to non-citizenship?

Start a CA thread, strawman. It's irrelevant for GA.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You're the one who is way out in left field. If this was Forbes Field, you would be sitting in Squirrel Hill. If it was PNC Park, you'd be in Aspinwall.

Haven't 25 states agreed to use the SAVE system to clean up their voter rolls? If you don't like it, then propose an alternative way to ensure non-citizens are purged from the voter rolls. You know deep down it's the RIGHT THING TO DO!

Cute, but irrelevant comback. I have no obligation to do the fake work you want done on a hooker board so we can have the convo the way you want to have it and pretend we're solving problems.

Your Biden/Harris issues aren't even germane to the issues the SAVE system is spitting out. If you want to debate, debate in good faith without all the fallacies. There are solid Republican counties who think it's shit. I happen to agree with them.

[HDGristle]

https://thedispatch.com/article/fbi-...records-flaws/

Seems there may have been some misleading of a judge on the warrant for the Fulton County raid. Definitely a case to watch