Prostitution v SD/SB Why is one legal?

[royamcr]

Probably lack of website advertising "escort" and offering a list of "GFE" services.... Lack of reviews... Knowing the girls real name might come up instead of just "Lexus" or "Jasmine"... In SB stuff I generally either know from her telling me or through research found her real name. I don't always tell her I know right off the bat but I keep it in my mind if any questions come up. If an officer asks you her name and it doesn't match whats on her id then it will throw up a flag. Escorts attribute a specific amount of time to a specific dollar amount. SB relations not so much, but there are a lot of SBs that are getting that hourly mentality.

SB relationships if used in the way they are intended it is more of a GF/BF relationship. However a lot are more short term or medium term quasi escort flings.

Like they say, it isn't illegal to have sex, it isn't illegal to give money, but mix the two then the shit hits the fan. Kind of stupid really. In a lot of ways keeping it illegal controls the proliferation of it without having to spend tons of time/money regulating and licensing. It sort of keeps it underground for the most part which can be good, and bad.

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Ok, let me reword my question.

What legal grounds could be argued that a SD/SB relationship is not prostitution?

Paid relationship.No diffrent paying for prostitutes.Sugar babies and prostitutes are not doing it for free

[oldbutstillgoing]

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Paid relationship.No diffrent paying for prostitutes.Sugar babies and prostitutes are not doing it for free

Ah, but paid relationships are not illegal. What that relationship comprises of is the difference.

This is a legal, not moral question. For a law to be broken, certain elements have to exist as defined by the law.

I have provider friends I hang out with. No money changes hands. But the minute clothing comes off, money does get exchanged. The fact she is a friend does not change the fact I am paying solely for sex. That is prostitution.

I have a SB. We hang out, do stuff, and yes have sex most of the times we see each other. But, she gets her allowance every month regardless of how much sex we have. But, without the sex and money part, the relationship would end, or at least change greatly. While the sex and money are the critical elements of the relationship, it is not the sole requirement.

I have a GF. We hang out, do things, and yes we have sex most of the times we see each other. She does not get a set allowance each month but she does get help with bills, gifts, etc. If there were no sex, the relationship of BF/GF would end. While sex is the critical element of the relationship, its not the only one.


The first one is clear cut. We are both breaking the law. In the second, money and sex are the primary driving factors of the relationship. But other activities are an important part. In the third, sex is a critical element, but the relationship is formed primarily on emotional grounds, not purely physical.

All are, in a sense, paid relationships. Sex and money are important parts of each. Yet legally, one could argue they are very different.

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Ah, but paid relationships are not illegal. What that relationship comprises of is the difference.

This is a legal, not moral question. For a law to be broken, certain elements have to exist as defined by the law.

I have provider friends I hang out with. No money changes hands. But the minute clothing comes off, money does get exchanged. The fact she is a friend does not change the fact I am paying solely for sex. That is prostitution.

I have a SB. We hang out, do stuff, and yes have sex most of the times we see each other. But, she gets her allowance every month regardless of how much sex we have. But, without the sex and money part, the relationship would end, or at least change greatly. While the sex and money are the critical elements of the relationship, it is not the sole requirement.

I have a GF. We hang out, do things, and yes we have sex most of the times we see each other. She does not get a set allowance each month but she does get help with bills, gifts, etc. If there were no sex, the relationship of BF/GF would end. While sex is the critical element of the relationship, its not the only one.


The first one is clear cut. We are both breaking the law. In the second, money and sex are the primary driving factors of the relationship. But other activities are an important part. In the third, sex is a critical element, but the relationship is formed primarily on emotional grounds, not purely physical.

All are, in a sense, paid relationships. Sex and money are important parts of each. Yet legally, one could argue they are very different.

Ok.Thanks.Sugar babies should be illegal like prostitution.Sugar babies are not doing it for free.Clients show up without money see what happen with sugar babies.

[woodyboyd]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Ok, let me reword my question.

What legal grounds could be argued that a SD/SB relationship is not prostitution?

That is like asking what legal grounds can you use when you are going 90 MPH and the speed limit is 50 MPH. You are speeding. The issue isn't whether what you are doing is illegal; the issue is how are you going to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

OBSG, you are hung up on the fact that the SB SD relationship is not illegal. It is illegal. If you aren't paying for sex, then why are you paying the girl anything?

The question is not if you are engaged in criminal activity. It is how could you potentially be charged.

Could the police do a SB sting operation? I guess, but I think the cost of such an operation would grossly outweigh the benefit.

The thing about the SD SB relationship is that both parties are guilty of criminal activity, but that doesn't mean you are off the hook. LE could potentially work a deal with the SB for lessening an unrelated offense in exchange for testifying against you. That is the biggest risk, but the hurdles to proving you engaged in prostitution beyond a reasonable doubt are huge starting with the credibility of the SB.

Don't be like GY6 and confuse not being charged with a crime with not committing one. Any girl he has paid for sex could turn him in and he would be getting a ride downtown.

There is a 50-50 chance that Hiliary Clinton becomes president, and there is no doubt that she engaged in criminal activity; she just wasn't charged with a crime.

But it's not just her. If we did an online poll on this site and asked people if they consider themselves law abiding citizens, I'd bet 90% would say they were even when they admit to engaging in prostitution. I think a study showed that the average person breaks like 3 laws a day. None of us are totally law abiding citizens then especially here.

If you ever did get charged with prostitution in a SB type relationship, the questions are going to be much more basic. How can a DA prove you were together, that you had sex, that you gave her money, that you gave her money with the expectation of sex ETC.

[oldbutstillgoing]

http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2...-prostitution/
interesting article

Legal opinion http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/08/02/...sugar-daddies/
Another http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/201...ies-legal.html

There was a good ABC report on the SD/SB world. Very interesting

And of course, there are plenty of articles claiming the opposite.

Bottom line is SD/SB are not illegal in all cases. There are differences based on law. Whether you think they should be or not is immaterial. The law decides, not you. For anyone interested in perusing a SD/SB relationship it is important to understand the legal aspects so as to avoid possible legal issues.

And, its something interesting to talk about.

[Fancylady]

Enjoy PAID sugar babies clients.

[oldbutstillgoing]

I have, just like I have enjoyed providers. And I do all I can to minimize and manage the risks of doing so.

If you have never been in a true SD/SB arrangement, it can be hard to understand the very real differences. But they are there

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

I have, just like I have enjoyed providers. And I do all I can to minimize and manage the risks of doing so.

If you have never been in a true SD/SB arrangement, it can be hard to understand the very real differences. But they are there

Paid relationship when money stop relationship stop.No sugar babies doing it for free.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Paid relationship when money stop relationship stop.No sugar babies doing it for free.

Very true. But the huge difference is what the SB is being paid to do. With an escort, its pay, fuck, go away. With a real SD/SB there is more than just fuck and go. You fixate on one specific part of the SB role, not it in total. And hence my interest in minimizing risk by doing everything possible to use those differences to protect myself from possible legal fall out. There are differences. It may be splitting hairs but then we are talking about the law and those hairs can make the difference between a record or not.

So while your posts are valid points subject to some debate, they are not the topic of the thread. Which is how to set up a SD/SB relationship and minimize the legal risks.

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Very true. But the huge difference is what the SB is being paid to do. With an escort, its pay, fuck, go away. With a real SD/SB there is more than just fuck and go. You fixate on one specific part of the SB role, not it in total. And hence my interest in minimizing risk by doing everything possible to use those differences to protect myself from possible legal fall out. There are differences. It may be splitting hairs but then we are talking about the law and those hairs can make the difference between a record or not.

So while your posts are valid points subject to some debate, they are not the topic of the thread. Which is how to set up a SD/SB relationship and minimize the legal risks.

Paid relationship are prostitution.You and I keep going back and forth on this subject.LMAO

[Buying a *Way to Heaven]

When a sugarbaby wants money, she calls her sugardaddy. When a hooker wants money, she advertises. That's the difference.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Paid relationship are prostitution.You and I keep going back and forth on this subject.LMAO

No, not in all cases. At least from a legal standpoint. That is the fine point, with all due respect, you seem to be missing. I don't disagree with you from a moral or intellectual stand point but those are not the issues here.

[KristylJayne]

EXACTLY RIGHT!

[KristylJayne]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

I have, just like I have enjoyed providers. And I do all I can to minimize and manage the risks of doing so.

If you have never been in a true SD/SB arrangement, it can be hard to understand the very real differences. But they are there

Very few understand the differences. Like for starters were not expected to have sex. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't. There is no expectation or requirement to do in exchange for for our relationship.