Perspectives

[Clouddancer]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it there seems to be more of the newbie hobbyists joining the scene and asking for advice. (This is a good thing) So, I thought I would offer this post.

I'm probably not as active as many of my brethren here but I have been around for a while, here on ECCIE and previously ASPD. We are fortunate here in Dallas to have so many wonderful ladies and I say this with all honesty, I've never had what I would call a horrible session. Yes, I've had some less than stellar sessions but in the past 7 or 8 years I have managed to meet some truly incredible ladies and enjoyed some mind-blowing experiences. Fortunately, I have yet to experience a true NCNS. How have I managed this? Well, here are a few rules I hobby by for what it's worth.

Donations:
First and foremost, never, ever haggle over the ladies rates. If there's a lady your just dying to meet, save you $ and pay her fee. If the price is too high, more research will find the right lady for you.

Screening:
This is an extremely important aspect of the hobby, not only for the lady but for the guys as well. This is for her safety but it may well be for yours too. Consider this, if she doesn't screen, what does that tell you about her. Everything may be legit, but on the other hand…….well, just read through some of the alerts. Those alerts where someone is ripped off, or worse, seem to have one thing in common - little or no screening.
Don't complain or get bitchy about her screening requirements. If you don't want to comply with her requirements, move on. Many of the ladies will work with you, unless, of course, you come off as telling them how to run their business. That’s a quick way onto the DNS list. This is why a service such as P411 so valuable. The money is very well spent. No, it's not easy getting started, but like anything in life, you have to pay your dues, so to speak. Having said that, there are some pretty incredible newbie friendly providers here and with a service such as P411 and a little research, it really shouldn't be that difficult to find a nice lady to get started.

If you use P411, use the features. Most importantly, fill out your profile. The ladies do want to please you. If you tell them about yourself and what you like, any good provider will try to accommodate you. Now this also depends on how you express yourself. Most importantly, be a gentleman.

Choosing a lady:
So you think you've found a lady you want to meet, great! Now do your research. If she posts, you can get an idea of her personality. Read her posts and if you don't like what she says or how she says it, do you really want to fork over some of your hard earned $ just because she's the hottest thing you've ever seen and all of her reviews say she's the lay of the century? You'll most likely be disappointed.
On the other hand, you just might connect, even before you meet.
In your research, find out about her. Enjoy her pics, but read, re-read and read again all of her information. Follow the directions for contacting her. Nearly all of the ladies make this info available, so do what she asks. Find out about her. What are her interests?

The appointment:
Once you've made the appointment, try to relax. Don't bombard her with emails, texts, phone calls, etc. A little contact is okay, but keep in mind she is running a business. In your research you should have learned such things as what kind of flowers she likes? If she likes tulips, bring her tulips, not roses. If she has listed chocolates as one of her likes, bring some. The point here is to show the lady you put a little effort into knowning her, pleasing her. It’s a perfect way to break the ice and start things off on the right foot.

When you get to her place, follow her instructions, and be discrete. Usually, you can expect a 2-call system. When she gives you her room or apt number, be careful about repeating it. I was on a trip in Denver once having breakfast in the hotel lobby. There was a guy standing about ten feet away from me who had something of a loud voice. This is what I overheard
"Hi Car***** it's L**** I'm in the lobby. 741, right, be right up. I'm ready to rock your world babe"
I literally choked. I had a pretty good idea what was going on and I would imagine so did everyone else that overheard him. Pay attention to what kind of attention you might be getting.
When you meet, treat her with respect. Be clean and presentable and if she offers a shower, it's probably best to thank her and jump in the shower, even if you just took one. Never know, she may just jump in with you. Also, don't let the transaction become a roadblock. It should be handled discretely and in accordance with her instructions. If you've done your research well, you should have very few surprises, except for maybe the good kind. Enjoy yourself, but respect her limits and her time.

Reviews:
In my opinion, reviews are valuable, but only to a certain degree. Some that read like a Penthouse forum, although entertaining, really don't tell me that much except the guy is the greatest fu*k in the world. Some of the guys will remember UsedCarSalesman. Great, funny reading, but useless reviews.
I never expect all the services one guy receives is going to necessarily be the same for me. Could be ymmv or heaven forbid, some may even exaggerate their encounters in their review. I would however, expect to receive her advertised services.

After the session and you wish to write a review. Start by reading the stickied thread in the review forum. The guidance is there. Be honest and factual, especially if it's sub-par review. It is entirely possible the reason for the sub-par performance is because she just didn't click with you, or you with her. It happens. There's no need for personal attacks and name-calling. The only thing that brings is drama. The review should be informative and reflect your overall experience.

Another comment about reviews:
There are times a lot of piling on starts and you might be tempted to jump on the bandwagon. Let me quote Ron White:

"Next time you have a thought, ............ let it go"

I am amazed at some of the replies to the reviews, especially the comments about the $. If you need clarification, that's fine, but to tell the world and most importantly the providers you wouldn't pay that much for a session is just foolish. You come across as cheap. Ever see an ad for cheap gentleman? I think generous gentleman is the usual phrase. Think what you like but its not always best to share your thoughts.

So now you've dipped your toe in the water, enjoyed your visit, written a review, what next?

Do it all over again!

But be careful. The first few times you'll know doubt cover all your tracks well. The more you participate the more likely it is to get too relaxed. Don't kid yourself into thinking you won't make mistakes. I just recently screwed up big time. I took a lovely lady to dinner at a nice upscale restaurant before our private activities. A couple of mornings later I realized I had kept the receipt (something I never do) and left it lying by the bathroom sink. Fortunately, it wasn't exactly in the open but I may still have some splainin to do. I got it covered if the SO asks but this is the kind of thing that can be catastrophic for some. There in lies the dilemma, is this really worth the trouble.

Perhaps one of our hobby brethren here can offer up a thread on techniques for protecting your ass. Its been covered before, just has the subject of this thread has, but it never hurts to put things in perspective.

Hobby safely and thanks for reading,
Clouddancer

[Chainsaw Anthropologist]

Sage words for all.

This quite possibly qualifies for immediate sticky status!

[Prolongus]

GREAT thread, Clouddancer...should be a stickie...
Ah yes, being discreet with the SO. A few things...

1. Set up a discreet hobby email account and hide it. Use it for this hobby ONLY...don't order something online and give them your hobby email account. Sign out and clear history EVERY TIME you use it and DO NOT bookmark it. Don't bookmark ANY site related to this hobby.
When you contact the Provider, ALWAYS mention to her that you must be discreet and that you will provide your phone# after y'all make the appmt. (She needs to know it's you when you call her on your way)

2. Evidence... see receipt, above. Getting a cell phone with GPS is the best thing instead of printing out her incall directions. By the way, if you choose gmail.com and you print your directions from Google Maps, the two are linked...your discreet email address shows up at the top of the Google Maps page! If you don't sign out of Google Maps, the SO will see it the next time she needs directions and ask: "Hey, what's this: I'mAFuckingStallion@gmail.com. ?"
If you have to print, try to do it at the last minute. Stuff it in the envelope with the donation and her cell phone#. That way, everything is together instead of envelope in car, directions in back pocket, her number written on a bank receipt in your wallet, etc.

3. Evidence, Part 2: After the romp in the hay, you're headed home. Count the number of covers you used and account for the wrappers after the session (more on this below). If you stored her phone# (I would do this before you leave; easier than trying to dial it), delete it in the parking lot. Also, delete any received calls and dialed calls the 2 of you made. Do this BEFORE you head home. Double check to make sure the directions you printed are disposed of.

You may think you're discreet as hell but weird shit can, and does, happen. Was driving home after a session and kept feeling like my shirt label had come loose...got home and Spidey Sense said to change clothes alone...took the shirt off...and a cover wrapper fell to the floor!

Try not to change your routine with the SO...don't start wearing cologne if you haven't, don't shave down there, (well, maybe a little) don't take 30 minute showers before the session if you only take 10 minutes...have a good explanation to the SO as to why you suddenly want to work out...and request that the Provider use UNSCENTED lotions...use cash for gifts and everything else...

When you get home and the SO asks: "Hi, honey! How was your day?", THINK before you speak. Ramble on about work or some other topic.

Anybody else want to chime in? Any horror stories about how you got caught?

[Clouddancer]

Great advice Prolongus!

I am wondering how the cover wrapper wound up in your shirt.
Maybe a thread on where the cover is used may be needed ........ j/k

[Prolongus]

One of those fast and furious sessions..clothes ripped off...condoms flyin'...you know how it is. Love this girl..she opens the door, I dash in, she slams the door, hops on me, we fall on the bed, rip off the clothes...everything as fast as we can with no breaks.

[Guest062912]

I love this thread! This is some great advice, guys. You are very generous to take the time to offer it up so freely! Newbies, you would do well to memorize these things! I agree that this should be stickied somewhere.

[AimeeAims]

If a prospective client even tries to haggle during screening, I won't ever see him, even if he would eventually agree to my original fee. First impressions you know.

[mmcqtx]

"When you meet, treat her with respect. Be clean and presentable and if she offers a shower, it's probably best to thank her and jump in the shower, even if you just took one."

I would add a caveat here. If this is an incall situation this is fine. If this is an outcall, I would not jump in a shower with my wallet, etc.. in the room with a girl I just met. If the bathroom door locks and she insisted, take your clothes in with you, otherwise I would avoid this, showering before she arrives should take care of this ever coming up.

[lisa.lisa0302]

Best thread written by a hobbyist in a long time!!!

[Boltfan]

Sheesh, now someone posts it. And to think I have been doing it wrong all these years.

Great read Mr. Dancer. Always nice to see the other more "sane" side of the hobby where guys accept the fact that they may not be able to afford every lady out there.

[Guest091813-04]

Great read! Thanks for the advice

[LittleMiss]

If have to agree with both OP and Prolongus

[jbravo_123]

Good advice, sir!

[pyramider]

A tainted perspective works well.

[jf987]

good information