government shuts down

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Maybe actually research something. It IS the left who is crying about giving free health care to illegals. If the truth pisses you off, that tells us all we need to know. And don't even start the tired, "illegals aren't eligible" crap. That doesn't mean anything. So in every case, people who aren't eligible for whatever the benefit is aren't getting those benefits?

By your logic, even if the rules were changed in the most strict manner possible, some illegal will find a way to get the benefit. Your only possible solution would be to eliminate any program from which any person could benefit,that way no illegal could possibly do so.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

By your logic, even if the rules were changed in the most strict manner possible, some illegal will find a way to get the benefit. Your only possible solution would be to eliminate any program from which any person could benefit,that way no illegal could possibly do so.

And maybe some could research how much illegals have contributed to taxes, including SSI, of which they must contribute to, but cannot draw. Might have bought a few more years of Social Security if they'd left them alone, but I'm sure all the righties here are so wealthy they'll never need it.

[VitaMan]

Rolling Stone article is very clear what this issue is all about.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

And pathetically trying to blame Republicans for the Schumer Shutdown 2.0. Laughable.

he does what his masters in the Democrat Party tell him to do. That’s why he is making those laughable statements.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Bunch of window dressing. You'll see where immigration drives up GDP, but reduces productivity and wages. Not to mention, it requires more of Other Peoples Money (taxes) to sustain it all.
That's the shell game in a nutshell.

Americans Get More from Less Migration, Says Study by Pro-Migration Group

by Neil Munro 5 Oct 2025

Keeping migration low is the best way to raise Americans’ prosperity, says a study funded by the leading lobby group for investors who want mass migration.

“At medium and low immigration levels, labor-based [skilled professional] immigration, characterized by fewer but more skilled population, produces higher GDP [Gross Domestic Product] per capita [emphasis added] growth,” compared to mass inflow of migrants and their extended families, says the September study by Springer, titled “Demographic and Economic Implications of Alternative U.S. Immigration Policies.”

“That should be a no-brainer because we know we could annex Mexico and our GDP would be enormously higher, but our per capita income would drop,” said Rosemary Jenks, cofounder of the Immigration Accountability Project. “That’s just ‘Duh!'”

The study is useful because “you have the advocates [for mass migration] themselves saying immigration is not a good deal for the average American,” said Stephen Camarota, the research director at the Center for Immigration Studies. “It may be good for Wall Street, it’s not good for Main Street, ” he added.

The study matches reality in Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom, where the estimated quality of life is declining and productivity is stalling because elites are importing consumers, renters, and workers to grow the nation’s real-estate prices and stock values.

FWD.us

The pro-migration report credits the education-fund spinoff of FWD.us for its creation, saying, “This research was supported by a grant from the FWD.us Education Fund.”

FWD.us was created by West Coast investors to lobby for a greater inflow of consumers, renters, and workers.

It was initially pushed by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg to pass the 2013 “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill. Since then, Zuckerberg has reportedly stepped back from the organization, ceding a greater role to other investor founders. The other leaders include venture capitalists Ron Conway and Reid Hoffman, and Salesforce founder Marc Benioff.

The group reveals very little about its funding or backers, or operations. But the report thanked the lobby group’s staff, including president Todd Schulte and advocacy chief Mark Delich:

The authors would like to thank Todd Schulte, Mark Delich, Phillip Connor, Pete Boorgard, Andrew Moriarity, Eddie Taveras, and two anonymous reviewers for their feedback on the manuscript at various stages. We also thank Giovanni Peri for his advice on modeling, and Tim O’Shea and Nowrin Fatema for research assistance.

The study looks at economic growth from 2021 to 2060, and concludes that GDP [the blue line] is maximized by mass immigration of families who must work to rent apartments and pay living expenses.

But per-capita income [the red line] is maximized by a smaller inflow of working-age, skilled workers, the FWD.us report admitted: “GDP grows faster in policy scenarios with higher immigration.”



The report’s scenarios consider unskilled mass migration — “family emphasis” — and skilled migration, dubbed “labor” migration. “Compared to the family emphasis scenarios, the labor-emphasis scenarios predict that immigration will be more concentrated in the prime working ages and include more Asian and European immigrants, and fewer Latin Americans,” the study adds.

The report concludes:

All family-emphasis scenarios experience slower GDP per capita growth compared to both their [skilled] labor counterparts and the zero immigration scenario, primarily due to larger population sizes and lower supplies of working-age populations.

In fact, the option of zero immigration generates higher per-capita growth than the GDP-boosting option of mass family migration, according to the study.

The report says the zero migration option grows per-capita income by 1.089 in the 35 years up to 2060.

Cutting immigration to half the 2021 level but emphasizing skilled migrants raises per capita result by 0.01.

Keeping migration at President Joe Biden’s 2021 rate but emphasizing skilled foreign workers raises per capita income by another 0.06, the study says:


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[1blackman1]

Polls show the PEOPLE blame republicans and Trump by over 10 points.

Green is starting to say exactly what Dems are saying. Trump is hinting at folding by “fixing” healthcare.

Sounds like what I posted days ago would be the result.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

On the brighter side of life:
Trump got 108 appointments approved during the shut down.

All gas! No Brakes!
Let's put the pedal to the metal now!

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Polls show the PEOPLE blame republicans and Trump by over 10 points.

lol

Poll shows blame spread across political spectrum for shutdown
67% say Republicans deserve plenty of blame; 63% say Democrats do as well

Meh, we'll take those numbers as long as we can start firing govt. work/welfare recipients

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by texassapper

...Poll shows blame spread across political spectrum for shutdown
67% say Republicans deserve plenty of blame; 63% say Democrats do as well...

Here's a bigger picture that Karoline Leavitt shared

Oh! I meant this one...

[Eaton Beaver]

Originally Posted by Eaton Beaver

That they were supposed to sunset is not the point.

78 percent of the fucking electorate wants them to remain.

Congress is supposed to react to changing times.

And please, what is it with this "YOU" and "YOUR SIDE" bullshit? It just makes you look like you only care about pissing people off, not about making an actual point. And especially in this case, it isn't even accurate.

78 percent of people support these subsidies. Which means it is a fuck ton of people from "YOUR SIDE" also.

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Maybe actually research something. It IS the left who is crying about giving free health care to illegals. If the truth pisses you off, that tells us all we need to know. And don't even start the tired, "illegals aren't eligible" crap. That doesn't mean anything. So in every case, people who aren't eligible for whatever the benefit is aren't getting those benefits?

I did research something. You just conveniently ignore it. Again.

But I stated it very clearly.

78 percent of people support the ACA subsidies. Including a bunch of people from "YOUR SIDE."

Meanwhile, I said absolutely fucking zero about giving "free health care to illegals." Nothing. Including nothing about "illegals aren't eligible crap." But you are so desperate to criticize me that you once again employ the tiresome MAGA tactic of putting words in people's mouths. Just make shit up.

Please continue! It helps prove the bias and flawed logic of virtually everything that you post.