eccie and north Texas Daily

[SteveOTX]

Originally Posted by TheEccie214

Vi is a stupid little girl

Wrong

Originally Posted by TheEccie214

can you prove otherwise? You've ignored the multiple requests by several people to prove you know anything about vi.

None of your business

[TheEccie214]

Very convincing evidence!

[Tony Gambino]

Originally Posted by SteveOTX

As stated many times already, !VI! is 110% not responsible for anything that she has said or done for the past 4 years. She should also be allowed to return to UNT with open arms when she is ready.

I agree........after she does some time for setting up her boyfriend and pimping out evvie, and possibly leaving her guns where her poor boyfriend would take the fall.....tsk tsk

[sean rider]

In the publicly available charging document it is documented that the pimp admitted to illegally purchasing the guns. The phone number used to text eevee for dates is in public records as being under the pimp's name. Prior to meeting eevee or !VI! the pimp was convicted of felony theft and breaking parole. The pimp has been conclusively shown to be a con man in the cosplay community, making false claims regarding intellectual property in support of his own income producing activities, and showing a pattern of using multiple sock puppet accounts to create the appearance of multiple supporters. In a similar way he used multiple accounts on ECCIE to combat bad reviews and pump up support for both eevee and !VI! as working providers. The accounts can be traced back to the pimp. Finally the sequence of events and dates involved make it clear that the pimp and eevee were involved in her business long before !VI! and the pimp went into business.

All of this has evidence already posted on ECCIE. The other theories here are mostly bare assertions without evidence. None of them address the totality of the narrative and known facts. The alternatives are also at odds with the published article and the charging document which has been the basis for the pimp being jailed now and continually weeks prior. Both of those almost certainly represent more research, and enjoy better access to witnesses, than anything here.

If you are unfamiliar with the evidence I mention but do not, for the Nth time, repeat in this post, please catch up by following the posts I noted previously in this thread.

Some guys obviously have a strong need to excuse the pimp and demonize these providers. I'll leave it to others to suggest why.

The simple truth is that when eevee and !VI! decided, independently and on different widely separated dates, to leave this pimp, he sought in both cases to punish them by outing them to parents or coworkers and the general public.

[Tony Gambino]

Originally Posted by sean rider

In the publicly available charging document it is documented that the pimp admitted to illegally purchasing the guns. The phone number used to text eevee for dates is in public records as being under the pimp's name. Prior to meeting eevee or !VI! the pimp was convicted of felony theft and breaking parole. The pimp has been conclusively shown to be a con man in the cosplay community, making false claims regarding intellectual property in support of his own income producing activities, and showing a pattern of using multiple sock puppet accounts to create the appearance of multiple supporters. In a similar way he used multiple accounts on ECCIE to combat bad reviews and pump up support for both eevee and !VI! as working providers. The accounts can be traced back to the pimp. Finally the sequence of events and dates involved make it clear that the pimp and eevee were involved in her business long before !VI! and the pimp went into business.

All of this has evidence already posted on ECCIE. The other theories here are mostly bare assertions without evidence. None of them address the totality of the narrative and known facts. The alternatives are also at odds with the published article and the charging document which has been the basis for the pimp being jailed.

If you are unfamiliar with the evidence I mention but do not, for the nth time, repeat in this post, please catch up by following the posts I noted previously in this thread.

Some guys obviously have a strong need to excuse the pimp and demonize these providers. I'll leave to others to decide why.

The simple truth is that when eevee and !VI! decided, independently and on different widely separated dates, to leave this pimp, he sought in both cases to punish them by outing them to parents or coworkers and the general public.

Sorry I'm not buying it sounds to me more like a mutual decision on a lifestyle, the first postings from wolfie or whatever her name was then, were not made from a man......you sound like you write for the dallas observer....and with no backround on you, its just conjecture and no more valid a story than mine.....

[sean rider]

The facts I list stand on their own. Read the charging document. You will find the pimp's confession of illegal gun purchases. You will find his previous conviction and his breaking parole. It has nothing to do with who I am. Google the phone number eevee used in her ads. You will find it listed under the pimp's name. It has nothing to do with who I am. Google the pimp a bit more and you will find email addresses that are the same as the ECCIE names he used as sock puppets. It has nothing to do with who I am.

Etc etc etc

Stories are easy. Stories backed up by facts ARE worth more than yours.

[Tony Gambino]

Originally Posted by sean rider

The facts I list stand on their own. Read the charging document. You will find the pimp's confession of illegal gun purchases. You will find his previous conviction and his breaking parole. It has nothing to do with who I am. Google the phone number eevee used in her ads. You will find it listed under the pimp's name. It has nothing to do with who I am. Google the pimp a bit more and you will find email addresses that are the same as the ECCIE names he used as sock puppets. It has nothing to do with who I am.

Etc etc etc

Stories are easy. Stories backed up by facts ARE worth more than yours.

every prosecutor has his theory that is usually torn to shreds by a good defense attorney, until he is convicted......he is innocent.
I know dipshit millenials aren't familiar with this concept.....but its innocent until proven guilty before a jury of his peers......a prosecutors theory are not facts.......so use all the big words you need to justify your student loan, and maybe do a quick burger review to pay your bills.......or post a cool useless top five to buzzfeed or however you millineals make a fuckin living......feel the burn..........

[Prince Akeem Of Zamunda]

Nobody was pimping that succubus

[Tony Gambino]

Originally Posted by NubianPrince

Nobody was pimping that succubus

a totally impartial, wise statement........totally agree

[sean rider]

Here's a learning opportunity for you Tony:

(1) Your intuitive guesswork is error prone. I am decades away from being a millennial.

(2) You can learn facts by actually reading what is posted here. For example, if you had read and absorbed what was written in this thread you would have already known I'm far from being a millennial.

(3) Millennial is spelled with two n's.

[Tony Gambino]

Originally Posted by sean rider

Here's a learning opportunity for you Tony:

(1) Your intuitive guesswork is error prone. I am decades away from being a millennial.

(2) You can learn facts by actually reading what is posted here. For example, if you had read and absorbed what was written in this thread you would have already known I'm far from being a millennial.

(3) Millennial is spelled with two n's.

i'll try an explain it to you so understand......police and prosecutor's evidence is not fact, no matter what your professor told you....otherwise OJ would be on death row......it's innocent til PROVEN guilty......see what I'm saying, accusations are just that. however you are involved in vi's shit show, your insight means nothing........absolutely nothing......until a jury weighs in.
surprisingly a jury has a tiny bit more creditability than sean rider....millennial journalist....go rest up and write about some deep elumn concerts or however you make a living.......shes not a victim until a JURY says so..........

[sean rider]

If I was making a claim of legal guilt or innocence you might have a point. But I'm not. In fact very few claims we make in life are defended in court. And legal arguments are not the only arguments that can and should be backed with evidence. In fact very little evidence we encounter in life is legal evidence. Finally, just because I cite the charging document (along with many other kinds of evidence), that doesn't mean I'm citing it as legal evidence or making a legal claim.

Now, if you need to create some convoluted theory as to how a provider outed herself to her friends, family, and the random public, and how years before she outed another provider, and how she went so far as to invite johns to her parent's real life address, and how she invited men to come rape her, and how she posted homemade porn of herself under her real name...all to frame this "poor" non-pimp we know is a multiple account sock puppet artist, a con man, a felon, and confessed illegal gun purchaser...

If you need to believe all that then that's clearly filling some need rational argument is not going to satisfy.

But note that nothing I've said requires that we believe !VI! or eevee were forced to be providers. I've remained agnostic on that and tend to think that provider/pimp relationships are not always black and white abusive situations. I think there is very often a mix of consent and subtle interpersonal forces.

But I do think the case for believing that he acted as a pimp doing the posting, taking texts, monitoring on the phone in real time during dates, doing the driving, and then in the end outing the providers when they quit, is simpler, makes more sense than the elaborate conspiracy theory you suggest, and in fact is (non-legally) proven by the available evidence.

[Tony Gambino]

Originally Posted by sean rider

If I was making a claim of legal guilt or innocence you might have a point. But I'm not. In fact very few claims we make in life are defended in court. And legal arguments are not the only arguments that can and should be backed with evidence. In fact very little evidence we encounter in life is legal evidence. Finally, just because I cite the charging document (along with many other kinds of evidence), that doesn't mean I'm citing it as legal evidence or making a legal claim.

Now, if you need to create some convoluted theory as to how a provider outed herself to her friends, family, and the random public, and how years before she outed another provider, and how she went so far as to invite johns to her parent's real life address, and how she invited men to come rape her, and how she posted homemade porn of herself under her real name...all to frame this "poor" non-pimp we know is a con man, a felon, and confessed illegal gun purchaser...

If you need to believe that then that's clearly filling some need rational argument is not going to satisfy.

But note that nothing I've said requires that we believe !VI! or eevee were forced to be providers. I've remained agnostic on that and tend to think that provider/pimp relationships are not always black and white abusive situations. I think there can be a mix of consent and subtle interpersonal forces.

But I do think the case for believing that he acted as a pimp doing the posting, taking texts, monitoring on the phone in real time during dates, doing the driving, and then in the end outing the providers when they quit, is simpler, makes more sense than the elaborate conspiracy theory you suggest, and in fact is (non-legally) proven by the available evidence.

get back to me when he is convicted.......because that wont happen, but yes she outed herself, evee, and posted the videos.......a woman scorned......you know the rest, now a potentially innocent man is paying for falling in love with a hooker.......but it makes you feel better, and your.......we still don't know your relationship with vi, maybe you were the other guy......don't care...americams are afforded the following under our constitution....innocent until proven guilty by a jury of our peers.......not by the media, the dallas observer, popular belief, tmz, or your bullshit theory........as of 8/11/16.....he is innocent......get back to me when you have a new burger review/brewhouse review.....or a new buzzfeed poll..........

[Guest092216]

So "you" now think "she" was willing, huh Vi?

That contradicts your original claim that you were kidnapped and forced into a life of prostitution.

It's a nice story and all but I think most of us ARE going off facts. You're just trying to use textbook persuasion tactics to talk around the issue and make it look different from what it is.

The pimp didn't confess to anything. Nowhere has it said he confessed to the guns or anything else.

[snarl]

Doesn't matter if he confessed to buying the guns or not. Doesn't matter if evee (or whatever)'s phone number was registered to him. What matters is if the prosecutor can PROVE that the pimp facilitated Vi providing sex in exchange for money. And there's a lot more to that than saying "Hey baby, you should fuck dudes for money!"

Vi outed herself. She is 110% responsible for EVERYTHING she said. You ever read her blog? SHE pursued the "pimp". She outed herself after the pimp outed her to her family. And this is why: