Not My Father's America

[Ripmany]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

My father came to the USA at age 17 from central Europe in 1935 to escape persecution. He fought in the US Army in North Africa, Italy, France and Germany and participated in liberating two concentration camps in Czechoslovakia. Half his family that remained in Europe did not survive the war. Those that did were "liberated" by Russian troops which was nearly as bad as the concentration camp.

His post war life was dedicated to healing as a medical doctor. . .and supporting the ideals of a free society; opposing both McCarthyism and Communism. What is now going on in American politics, and society in general (on both sides of the spectrum) would have driven him nuts.

What we have today is not what my father fought for back then. What we have today is not what he expected would be he America he left for his grandchildren.

No but the American you dumb f*** father fought for I can guarantee you if it will would have won if Adolf Hitler would have won this country would be one hell of a lot better off we would have to worry about all that b******* is all drew rebel politics look at camera Harris she married a f****** Drew.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

Really? Is that why Republicans like to cut taxes on the wealthy?
Reduce/eliminate the inheritance tax.

Give government grants to large, profitable corporations?

You sir, are full of shit! "What's in it for me?" is clearly the mantra of the wealthy right.

What about the Wealthy Left? Do you really think it's all one sided?

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

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What about the Wealthy Left? Do you really think it's all one sided?

So, you're claiming the wealthy are all the same? FDR was the same as Boss Tweed? JFK the same as George W Bush?

Bwahahahahahaha!!!

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

So, you're claiming the wealthy are all the same? FDR was the same as Boss Tweed? JFK the same as George W Bush?

Bwahahahahahaha!!!

No, I am claiming you're painting the Wealthy White Republicans with a broad Brush. There are just as many Wealthy Democrats that fit your same claim.

[Ripmany]

Who had a nice bush.

[ICU 812]

If anyone would care to re-read the OP, I implied that my father Was a moderate-liberal. Perhaps I was not explicit. in that. He voted for JFK, LBJ, McGovern and Carter before dying of cancer.

I am convinced that the country is, today, divided less by race or "institutional racism" and more by left-right/liberal-conservative politics and philosophy. In full disclosure, I am of European descent; a "white guy" as some would say. The church I attend has a culturally and ethnically diverse membership. About a third are from Carrabin islands or Nigeria. Neither considers themselves to be victims or that White-America owes them anything. Those from Barbados and Jamaica do not consider themselves to b "African-American". These folks look on the USA as a land of opportunity.

One of the Nigerian members once explained it to me this way; "The toilet always flushes. The lights always come on. I can drive my car a thousand miles and never have to "show my papers".

I grew up in the '60s. Race relations were far worse then. Racial injustice was codified in law. We have moved away from that time in many ways in my estimation. Laws have been abolished and the Constitution has been amended. People of color are evident and successful in every walk of life now, unlike the lilly-white past of my youth. Is society today prefect with aspect to race relations? Of course not.

The troubles we face today are political and cultural. The difference between the JFK/LBJ presidency and the Biden/Harris ticket are significantly different: like night and day.

There may be some confusion from some younger contributors to this thread as well. "Black Listing" has nothing to do with race. It was a practice that arose from the advent of the Cold War struggle with the USSR's communist take over of Eastern Europe; the Iron Curtain. In that long ago time, anyone with liberal leanings was abled a "red sympathizers" or "pinko" and excluded from work. People lost their jobs in government and the entertainment industry. Academics could not publish and so on. It was a mirror of the liberal sourced cancel culture of today.

During that time (1950s-'60s) censorship was rampant in the communist dominants world, as it had been in both communist Russia and faciest Italy and Germany of the thirties and forties. Today we see a few media giants also squelching public discourse. College campuses are no longer bastions of free speech either. Antifa professes to be "anti-faciest", but then, so was Stalin.

The point I tried to make in the OP is that today our freedoms are under the threats of back-listing and censorship, much as was found in the totalitarian regimes of the past century and the post war intolerance of my youth. In some circles, anyone who voted in a Republican primary may be in jeopardy of losing their job. That defines a political purge; another totalitarians tactic my father left his home to avoid and it is what he fought against in WW-II.

My father never imagined that American society and culture would re-embrace the situation as normal.

[ICU 812]

Sorry. That turned out to be longer than intended.

Put it down to strong coffee.

[Yssup Rider]

Sounds like you should have voted for Trump instead...

[oeb11]

Are the DPST/ccp minions gloating much????

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

If anyone would care to re-read the OP, I implied that my father Was a moderate-liberal. Perhaps I was not explicit. in that. He voted for JFK, LBJ, McGovern and Carter before dying of cancer.

I am convinced that the country is, today, divided less by race or "institutional racism" and more by left-right/liberal-conservative politics and philosophy. In full disclosure, I am of European descent; a "white guy" as some would say. The church I attend has a culturally and ethnically diverse membership. About a third are from Carrabin islands or Nigeria. Neither considers themselves to be victims or that White-America owes them anything. Those from Barbados and Jamaica do not consider themselves to b "African-American". These folks look on the USA as a land of opportunity.

One of the Nigerian members once explained it to me this way; "The toilet always flushes. The lights always come on. I can drive my car a thousand miles and never have to "show my papers".

I grew up in the '60s. Race relations were far worse then. Racial injustice was codified in law. We have moved away from that time in many ways in my estimation. Laws have been abolished and the Constitution has been amended. People of color are evident and successful in every walk of life now, unlike the lilly-white past of my youth. Is society today prefect with aspect to race relations? Of course not.

The troubles we face today are political and cultural. The difference between the JFK/LBJ presidency and the Biden/Harris ticket are significantly different: like night and day.

There may be some confusion from some younger contributors to this thread as well. "Black Listing" has nothing to do with race. It was a practice that arose from the advent of the Cold War struggle with the USSR's communist take over of Eastern Europe; the Iron Curtain. In that long ago time, anyone with liberal leanings was abled a "red sympathizers" or "pinko" and excluded from work. People lost their jobs in government and the entertainment industry. Academics could not publish and so on. It was a mirror of the liberal sourced cancel culture of today.

During that time (1950s-'60s) censorship was rampant in the communist dominants world, as it had been in both communist Russia and faciest Italy and Germany of the thirties and forties. Today we see a few media giants also squelching public discourse. College campuses are no longer bastions of free speech either. Antifa professes to be "anti-faciest", but then, so was Stalin.

The point I tried to make in the OP is that today our freedoms are under the threats of back-listing and censorship, much as was found in the totalitarian regimes of the past century and the post war intolerance of my youth. In some circles, anyone who voted in a Republican primary may be in jeopardy of losing their job. That defines a political purge; another totalitarians tactic my father left his home to avoid and it is what he fought against in WW-II.
My father never imagined that American society and culture would re-embrace the situation as normal.

ICU - well written - I understand the history lesson - I too lived through those days.

'history' is also anathema to the revisionist, lying DPST/ccp ideology. and its' deluded minions.

[Austin Ellen]

Good post ICU.

[Ripmany]

You father was dumb enough not to fight hitler same with rest fuck up American so you father fuckds us up so don't cry commission russian is in ct.


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[oeb11]

for the DPST/ccp valued posters"







[Verse 1]
Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took

[Chorus 1]
But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me, too
What a wonderful world this would be

[Verse 2]
Don't know much about geography
Don't know much trigonometry
Don't know much about algebra
Don't know what a slide rule is for

[Chorus 2]
But I do know one and one is two
And if this one could be with you
What a wonderful world this would be

[Bridge]
Now, I don't claim to be an A student
But I'm trying to be
For maybe by being an A student, baby
I can win your love for me


[Verse 1]
Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took

[Chorus 1]
But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me, too
What a wonderful world this would be

[Verse 2]
Don't know much about geography
Don't know much trigonometry
Don't know much about algebra
Don't know what a slide rule is for

[Chorus 2]
But I do know one and one is two
And if this one could be with you
What a wonderful world this would be

[Bridge]
Now, I don't claim to be an A student
But I'm trying to be
For maybe by being an A student, baby
I can win your love for me


Sam Cooke - Wonderful World

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Ripmany

You father was dumb enough not to fight hitler same with rest fuck up American so you father fuckds us up so don't cry commission russian is in ct.

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Again: Please Re-read the OP. In the opening paragraph I wrote that my father came to America as a teenager to escape facist persecution as a Jew. When the USA entered WW-II he served as an infantry officer in the Army, seeing combat in North Africa, Italy France and Germany. Along th way, he participated in liberating two Nazi concentration camps.

Of course I am offended at the wanton disrespect for his memory. Yet more troubling isd the inability of some responders to offer any counter arguments that do not depend on name cslling and personel attacks. This is 5th grade playground stuff. . . .to them i say, "Sticks and stones. . .", or "I'm rubber and you're glue . . ."

While I understand the difficulty of expressing ideas in an unfamiliar language, I would point out that there are now some pretty good translation apps available. In sincerity and with good intentions I suggest that you compose your responses in your mother tongue and run the text through a translator app before posting. This will help all of us exchange ideas.

[oeb11]

ICU - thankyou - good Sir!
My father also served in WW2. he knew what we fought and some men died for.

The DPST/ccp is blinded by their own propaganda - and they seek to desatroy everything that made America good.



My thought - '5th grade' gives the howling , screeching purveyors of lies and graft and corruption - too much credit to their educational and intellectual level.