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Old 10-09-2025, 02:09 PM   #16
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Trump administration now considers $ 10 billion to bail out soybean farmers for damage done by Trump tariffs.


This doesn't mention any assistance for all the businesses shut down and job losses because of the Trump tariffs. Not to mention many US ports now only operate at 65% capacity.


Trump tariffs seem to lead to a lot of unintended consequences.
Give this one a read, rates are not anyhwere near 65%, some are down, some are up, ports also serve as "rental/storage" spaces and that has been declining simply due to rent rates going through the roof. Ports decided to cash in on the 2020 panic manuver of over order everything and store it. So companies seem to be moving product to less costly storage locations.

Here's another one to browse, some farmers, going back generations now, are what we call "Insurance farmers" They've been taking government subsidies for decades, meaning 10-20% of their income is gubment cheese. When your business model means you expand rapidly using taxpayer money, you should really make sure the model can survive without that.

https://usafacts.org/articles/federa...hat-data-says/

50% of the crop is exported, 20% is paid for by the taxpayers, 30% is sold domestic. I feel for them, but let's also recognize the size and scale of the "farmers" here.
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Old 10-09-2025, 09:14 PM   #17
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... Too right, mate! ... Just a bit of checking the facts
would show YOU to be correct on this...

The "going's good" when the government money $$$$$ supports it
for years, but then something like THIS tariff re-set and now
comes the adjustment for the farmers.
... Time now for them to get their stations in order.

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Old 10-10-2025, 01:13 AM   #18
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Democrats don't grasp how much all their rules and regulations cost farmers. It is all about central power and having lawyers with no knowledge of the industry they regulate write regulations.
It’s not just democrats that create these regulations. Republican politicians have had their hands involved with Agriculture regulations for at least as long as democrats have.

The problem is that politicians rely on “experts” to advise them when passing legislation and those experts in this case favor Big Agriculture.

Giant corporations are influencing lots of agricultural production, policies, and the laws and regulations created. Blaming democrats won’t fix the problem that small farmers face.
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Old 10-10-2025, 07:45 AM   #19
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Here are the facts:


China has not purchased any U.S. soybeans since May, according to the American Soybean Association. Beijing has pivoted to suppliers in Brazil and Argentina.


All agriculture exports to China were down 53 percent in the first seven months of 2025, compared with the same period last year, according to USDA data.


The dramatic shift echoes China’s response to the tariff war during Trump’s first term when the value of U.S. soybean exports plunged to $3.1 billion in 2018 from $14 billion in 2016.
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Trump administration now considers $ 10 billion to bail out soybean farmers for damage done by Trump tariffs.


This doesn't mention any assistance for all the businesses shut down and job losses because of the Trump tariffs. Not to mention many US ports now only operate at 65% capacity.


Trump tariffs seem to lead to a lot of unintended consequences.
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China has not purchased any U.S. soybeans since May, according to the American Soybean Association. Beijing has pivoted to suppliers in Brazil and Argentina.


All agriculture exports to China were down 53 percent in the first seven months of 2025, compared with the same period last year, according to USDA data.


The dramatic shift echoes China’s response to the tariff war during Trump’s first term when the value of U.S. soybean exports plunged to $3.1 billion in 2018 from $14 billion in 2016.

Farmstud, where are you to address such heinous statements?
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Trump now making odd statements about soybeans and China on Truth Social.

Sounds like he is worried about eating the $ 10 billion
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Trump is now trying new stunts to get China to resume purchasing US soybeans.
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The silence of farmstud here to reply is deafening.
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Trump comes up last Friday with his statement that China is not buying soybeans, and that is an
economic hostile act.


Uh, Mr. Trump........who started these trade problems back in April........you did.
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This entire trade war is predicated upon the idea that the US can hurt China economically more than they can hurt the United States. It’s stupid, destructive and ultimately pointless.

Which starts to make sense once you realize that it came from the second-rate brain of El Schitzenpants.

Using tariffs as a weapon is like two fighters strangling themselves and the winner is the one who passes out last.
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Trump comes up last Friday with his statement that China is not buying soybeans, and that is an
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Uh, Mr. Trump........who started these trade problems back in April........you did.
Come on, farmstud. Tell us how that is good for america and your fellow farmers. Share the secret.
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So China is buying beans from Argentina, and instead of a farm bailout we are giving Argentina 20 billion. Make that make sense. lol
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So China is buying beans from Argentina, and instead of a farm bailout we are giving Argentina 20 billion. Make that make sense. lol
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Come on, farmstud. Tell us how that is good for america and your fellow farmers. Share the secret.

the reason is obvious. the US agriculture industry has been propped up by Gov subsidies for decades. now it's time for them to stand on their own two feet .. with a redress of unfair trade tariffs by Trump.



yes it's that simple
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It is clear you don't understand the agriculture economy.

No reason to request replies from farmstud. He is what he is.

The replies by Trump since Friday make no sense. He caused all this. And it is clear he does not want to swallow the $ 10 billion. He just started this rhetoric after that news cam out.
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It is clear you don't understand the agriculture economy.

No reason to request replies from farmstud. He is what he is.

The replies by Trump since Friday make no sense. He caused all this. And it is clear he does not want to swallow the $ 10 billion. He just started this rhetoric after that news cam out.



so are you in DA NILE that the US Ag market has been propped up for decades? long before Trump?


yes or no.
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