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Old 09-16-2025, 11:43 AM   #31
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The only labeling of fascism comes from you lefties and is incorrect.

Dan Turrentine, who is long time Dem strategist that I posted about yesterday, agrees that Trump is not a fascist.

The far left is a cult and unwell.
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Old 09-16-2025, 11:56 AM   #32
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So you clicked the 3 links from post 21, that take you to actual Wiki pages, that validate what was posted in post 19, that discredits wiki?

Wiki should not and cannot be used as a credible source to label Trump a fascist.
What exactly would be a credible source in your estimation?

Peter Bergen makes a compelling case in my opinion. Read the article and try to tell me you don’t find this to be accurate.

https://www.newamerica.org/the-threa...-peter-bergen/
Is Trump Really a Fascist? Examining the Controversial Claim

Cultivates “a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of traditional solutions”: Trump has consistently (and falsely) pushed the line that the U.S. is a “hellhole” where crime is “only going up.” Just last month, Trump claimed, “I don’t think there’s ever been a darkness around our nation like there is now,” despite low levels of unemployment and unprecedented stock market highs. In a second term, this sense of crisis might embolden Trump to use his powers as commander-in-chief to invoke emergency powers such as the Insurrection Act to use the U.S. military against his domestic political enemies.

Exhibits “the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason”: Put another way, it’s prioritizing intuition—or gut feeling—over logic. Trump routinely asserts the brilliance of his instincts, calling himself a “very stable genius” while dismissing the well-established science around climate change, which he has described as a “hoax.” The nonpartisan Covid Crisis Group found that in April 2020, Trump decided that COVID-19 wasn’t much worse than the flu, and he wanted to “reopen” the economy as he was also gearing up for his election campaign. As a result, the Covid Crisis Group concluded that “Trump was a co-morbidity” with COVID-19, meaning the nation was suffering from two chronic “diseases” simultaneously.

Underscores “the need for authority by natural leaders (always male) culminating in a national chief who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s destiny”: This concept encapsulates Trump’s appeal to his followers quite well. Trump presents himself as the only man who can save this nation, and he recently told a group of his Christian followers that he was anointed by God, a claim they seem to believe. (It’s noteworthy that Trumpism doesn’t work without Trump himself, a lesson Florida Governor Ron DeSantis learned during his unsuccessful presidential run.)

Ascribes to “the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies”: Trump has made a political career out of his purported victimhood, promising “retribution” for his followers who feel similarly victimized. He has also made it clear that if re-elected, he plans to go after his perceived enemies, even suggesting he could use the U.S. military against the “enemy within”—or those who are not loyal to him.

Demonstrates “the need for closer integration of a purer community; by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary”: Trump’s base is firmly against most immigrants. When Trump was in office, his administration separated thousands of migrant children from their families at the U.S.-Mexico border, a policy some of his followers accepted. If re-elected, Trump and his advisers have promised mass deportations of millions of migrants by the U.S. military. Mass deportations are supported by 88 percent of Trump supporters, according to a recent Pew Research Center poll. (That policy is also supported by three in 10 Harris supporters.)

Promotes “the beauty of violence and the efficacy of will when they are devoted to the group’s success”: Earlier this month, Trump described the January 6 Capitol riot by his followers, during which 140 police officers were assaulted, as a day of “beauty and love.”
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:08 PM   #33
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Bergen seems rather credible, if you ask me. All fair points, backed by facts.
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:18 PM   #34
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No sorry.

I’ll stick with Democrat Dan Turrentine’s opinion that Trump is not a fascist. I’ll also stick with the fact the Wiki refuses to use the word “murder” for 2 white people who were 100% murdered, but use the word “murder” for a black person with a cause of death that has been debated. It’s shameful framing based on their narrative of choice.

The Dems have no policies the American people want. All you have is “orange man bad”. Awful, awful party.
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:23 PM   #35
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Opinions are fine. Bergen brings the facts.

If you don't believe he does, please point out where he's lying.
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:41 PM   #36
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Two can play this game.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5001482-...t-fascist/amp/
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:43 PM   #37
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What's it say right above the headline in your link?
OPINION in all caps. Lol.

Please point out where Bergen is inaccurate.
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:46 PM   #38
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What's it say right above the headline in your link?
OPINION in all caps. Lol.

Please point out where Bergen is inaccurate.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!

There’s two articles. You are not the judge of which article is a fact and which one isn’t. They’re both opinions.

LIbEral LOgiC.

I can’t quit Lol’ing.

And please point out where Democratic staffer Jeremy Etelson is inaccurate.
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:51 PM   #39
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Bergen's is an examination. Backed by factual examples of trump displaying fascist tendencies.

Not opinion.
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Old 09-16-2025, 01:54 PM   #40
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It’s 100% opinion.

I realize you can’t see outside of your bias. You don’t even know it exists.

And Etelson uses factual examples too. This shouldn’t be hard.
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Old 09-16-2025, 03:38 PM   #41
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Our Fashiss President is getting an award tonight from the King of England, can't wait to watch it.
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Old 09-16-2025, 09:52 PM   #42
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I believe that most people have heard of the thought experiment of going back in time to kill Hitler.

Now imagine someone being constantly called Hitler, nazi, fascist and so on.

Is it inconceivable that someone would think that they have a chance to do just that, minus the time travel?
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Old 09-17-2025, 03:07 AM   #43
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The only labeling of fascism comes from you lefties and is incorrect.

Dan Turrentine, who is long time Dem strategist that I posted about yesterday, agrees that Trump is not a fascist.

The far left is a cult and unwell.
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The OP title is “The fascist tendencies of trump”

So I don’t think that the point of the thread is to prove beyond all doubt that Trump is a fascist but rather that Trump is embracing a number of elements that describe fascism.

Dan Turrentine appears to be minimizing Trump’s tendencies because he wants to scale back the rhetoric on both sides starting with his own position.

The opinion piece from Jeremy Etelson argues that Trump is not a fascist because he hasn’t brought the economy under the control of the government but he sure seems to be trying.

The article states: In this system, private industry is maintained, but it is subordinated to the ultimate authority of the state, purportedly in service of broader national ideals”

Does anybody really believe that if Trump wanted private industry to do something that he wouldn’t try to get them to do what he wants.

Trump may not “technically” be a fascist by the definition listed in the article but Trump sure has most of the other traits that are associated with fascism.

El Schitzenpants is in my opinion a better fascist than a democratically elected leader who is responsible to his constituents.
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Old 09-17-2025, 05:07 AM   #44
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Trump ~is~ a democratically elected leader who is responsible to his constituents.
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I believe that most people have heard of the thought experiment of going back in time to kill Hitler.

Now imagine someone being constantly called Hitler, nazi, fascist and so on.

Is it inconceivable that someone would think that they have a chance to do just that, minus the time travel?
Clearly it’s not inconceivable, given they’ve already tried thrice.
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