Epstein, an albatross around Trump's neck

[Snafu412]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

I wouldn't put anything past the Mossad!
Do a deep AI dive on the Jonathan Pollard spy case!
Pollard was a CIA analyst working for the Mossad!
"Pollard sold numerous state secrets, including the National Security Agency's ten-volume manual on how the US gathers its signal intelligence and disclosed the names of thousands of people who had cooperated who had cooperated with US intelligence agencies."

Back in 85 I was working with a guy from Oil City when Pollard got pinched. He that told me that he knew Pollards first wife. I dont remember how.
And yes I was aware of Pollard working for Israel but the difference being IMO that it didnt include high ranking government officials on United states soil. He was Navy, when I was in the Army I had top secret clearance, and we had them explained to us not only what that meant but the honey pots and all of that other spy craft so we would recognize it if it was being used against us!
I asked my buddy that was Navy that I golf with if he had similar classes. He said that when he got his clearances they never said a word about it for years. Then when Pollard got caught that they wouldnt leave them alone about it!

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by orallvr69

Keep in mind, this was three years after Epstein was convicted in Florida (with donald trump's help)

So what? If Bill Clinton's on the list of really bad people, lock him up, too! See how easy that was?

Why can't MAGA ever hold Dear Leader accountable for anything?

There are WAY more pics of trump hanging with Epstein and/or Maxwell than there are of anyone else. Why can't the cult just admit that which we can all see with our own two eyes?

I don't care who's on the list of really bad people. Lock them all up. Including, and especially, trump for changing his story multiple times, and now, obviously helping a convicted sex trafficker (Ghislane) by covering it up and transferring her to a different prison.

By the way, anyone who thinks trump is exonerated now based on the testimony of Ghislane Maxwell to Blanche (trump's former personal attorney) is seriously in the weeds. They may never recover from their time in the cult.

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by Snafu412

Back in 85 I was working with a guy from Oil City when Pollard got pinched. He that told me that he knew Pollards first wife. I dont remember how.
And yes I was aware of Pollard working for Israel but the difference being IMO that it didnt include high ranking government officials on United states soil. He was Navy, when I was in the Army I had top secret clearance, and we had them explained to us not only what that meant but the honey pots and all of that other spy craft so we would recognize it if it was being used against us!
I asked my buddy that was Navy that I golf with if he had similar classes. He said that when he got his clearances they never said a word about it for years. Then when Pollard got caught that they wouldnt leave them alone about it!

Pollard was a case of an ally shamelessly spying on us!
The Mossad pulled strings in Washington and got him released!
The Mossad is so entrenched in all matters of tradecraft ... they got the "Benedict Arnold" released in November 2015!

[Snafu412]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

Pollard was a case of an ally shamelessly spying on us!
The Mossad pulled strings in Washington and got him released!
The Mossad is so entrenched in all matters of tradecraft ... they got the "Benedict Arnold" released in November 2015!

Damn dude your as bad as these other guys for the conspiracy theories.
The mossad did not have anything to do with his release. He was sentanced to life in prison, I believe under federal law you become eligible for parole after thirty years of a life sentance.
He made his parole.
Israel tried in those thirty years to have him released many times.
While we told them to go piss off.
The reason he was released early was because and im pretty sure of this without my actually sitting on the parole board was. Unlike Richard Hansen who died in prison. Pollards espionage did not lead directly to anyone's death. Hasen actually told Russia who the spys were and the were executed, I believe Hansen was doing three life sentances plus! So that happened at least three times that they could prove.

But yes I also believe that he should not have been released!

[HDGristle]

It's also irrelevant to the Trump admin mishandling the Epstein docs

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by Snafu412

Damn dude your as bad as these other guys for the conspiracy theories.
The mossad did not have anything to do with his release. He was sentanced to life in prison, I believe under federal law you become eligible for parole after thirty years of a life sentance.
He made his parole.
Israel tried in those thirty years to have him released many times.
While we told them to go piss off.
The reason he was released early was because and im pretty sure of this without my actually sitting on the parole board was. Unlike Richard Hansen who died in prison. Pollards espionage did not lead directly to anyone's death. Hasen actually told Russia who the spys were and the were executed, I believe Hansen was doing three life sentances plus! So that happened at least three times that they could prove.

But yes I also believe that he should not have been released!

At the end of the day, spying on a devoted ally has to be the most shameless, abject act of betrayal!
I'll bet the Mossad has seen to it that traitor Pollard is living in a Tel Aviv oceanfront villa paid for by the government!
A deep AI dive has revealed that:
"Prime Minister Netanyahu and his wife greeted Jonathan Pollard and his wife ... at Ben-Gurion Airport when they arrived in Israel in December 2020."
(Greeting a betraying, scumbag "Benedict Arnold" with open arms ... no problem!)

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

At the end of the day, spying on a devoted ally has to be the most shameless, abject act of betrayal!
I'll bet the Mossad has seen to it that traitor Pollard is living in a Tel Aviv oceanfront villa paid for by the government!
A deep AI dive has revealed that:
"Prime Minister Netanyahu and his wife greeted Jonathan Pollard and his wife ... at Ben-Gurion Airport when they arrived in Israel in December 2020."
(Greeting a betraying, scumbag "Benedict Arnold" with open arms ... no problem!)

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by tommy156

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?

In demonstrates the level of tradecraft the Mossad possesses!
Their backchanneling is extremely deep and has probably infiltrated all levels of the government!
Ya think?
To think that the Mossad's deep tentacles , are not, somehow involved in the non-release of the Epstein files ... is extremely short sighted!
Facts:
Ehud Barak former Israeli prime minister.
Epstein fake passport.
(Connect the dots!)
Would you be at all shocked if it emerged (after the dust settles) ... that Ehud Barak was a Mossad agent?
And he recruited Epstein?
Would you be shocked at this?

[Snafu412]

Originally Posted by tommy156

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?

Many people believe that Epistine was an operative for Mossad, Israel's spy agency. And that Epistine was running a honey pot operation for them.
So that Israel could extort the very people you wish to learn about, one example Bill Clinton.
IMO there are too many people that would not have much to offer Israel, just men with money! Yes you have some presidents and princes, but once again those were just the circles epstine moved in.
That's not to say im correct.
Its certainly possible but I haven't seen anything to convince me of that.
The Pollard thing was a side issue.
Basically he was using Pollard to show me how willing our ally Israel is to spy on the hand that literally feeds them!
Something he needn't convince of.
Israel has thier fingers in everybody's pie! And they are slick motherfuckers! The pager assassinations being an example of how devious they really are.
One more comment on Pollard, I have no doubt that he is a hero of the people of Israel.
After spending thirty years in a shithole I have no doubt he will die in the lap of luxury. Not really a good retirement plan if you ask me.

[HDGristle]

It's been mentioned that Trump's call to release the grand jury testimony was a weak attempt with little value.

A judge confirmed that

A judge has nowrejected that pushin the Maxwell case. But what’s key here is his reasoning. It’s not that the information is too sensitive, as some wagered it might be; it’s that it simply isn’t new.

In other words, the White House’s first big move toward shedding light was … trying to release documents that don’t do that at all.

And the thrust of Judge Paul Engelmayer’srulingis that this indeed looks, for all intents and purposes, like that smokescreen.

“(The administration’s) entire premise — that the Maxwell grand jury materials would bring to light meaningful new information about Epstein’s and Maxwell’s crimes, or the Government’s investigation into them — is demonstrably false,” Engelmayer wrote.

He said he asked the administration to identify what information would be new, but it highlighted “only scattered words, clauses, and occasional sentences.” (The judge also said in a footnote that even some of that limited highlighted information was already covered by public testimony at Maxwell’s trial.)

Engelmayer said those familiar with the case “would thus learn next to nothing new,”

We know they're sitting on mountains of stuff. So why the kabuki theater and half-assed theatrics just to make it seen like they're trying? It's what Chip Roy said. Giving cover to Trump. And hoping interest dies before Congress comes back.

[Charley3]

Meanwhile Maxwell has been transferred to a minimum security prison. This done shortly after Trumps unethical comment about Maxwells possible pardon and a recent visit to Maxwell from a Trump representative.
I’m sure just a coincidence.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Meanwhile Maxwell has been transferred to a minimum security prison. This done shortly after trumps unethical comment about Maxwells possible pardon and a recent visit to Maxwell from a trump representative.
I’m sure just a coincidence.

He treats his voters like morons, because they are. Nobody with more than 3 brain cells to rub together believes any of this bullshit, but MAGAs eat it up and ask for another helping. Every time.

[1#Ratt]

Originally Posted by orallvr69

>Bullshit. Latest polls show that even 82% of MAGAs want the Epstein files released.

You got that right, Tommy. To the late arrivals to the party (democrats) I say welcome.

Trump campaigned on this, and supporters also want it to happen, no matter who is on any list.

It would seem to me that there is more to the story, like Epstein is still alive in Tel Aviv or something, under witness protection. It wouldn't be the first time Israel covered for a pdf file like this. If true, then Trump wouldn't be able to say anything like "it's classified" or "he's still alive". I think the fact that Trump wouldn't be able to say anything about this, emboldens democrats to use it as a campaign issue. It is sad that these victims are being exploited by the democrats {again}, now as a campaign issue.

anyone have any extra in foil? I need to make a hat

[eyecu2]

Meanwhile. ...is there anything there in the file? My feeling is nope. Not unless you spoke with the prosecutor Acosta or those part of that process. They aren't talking and that means the same as the Kennedy assassination....no Bueno till someone waterboards Acosta or his co- prosecutors.

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Meanwhile. ...is there anything there in the file? My feeling is nope. Not unless you spoke with the prosecutor Acosta or those part of that process. They aren't talking and that means the same as the Kennedy assassination....no Bueno till someone waterboards Acosta or his co- prosecutors.

I'm sayin' the Mossad/CIA got to Acosta!
The fix was in, from the jump!
i.e.
"He's intel!"
How else could you possibly explain the absurdly light sentence given to a diabolical, sexual predator?
Epstein had his own private wing in the Miami Beach jail!
And, a chauffeur picked him up at 8 in the morning!
Took him to his office.
And, dropped him off at the jail 10 at night!
(So essentially, all he really did was sleep at the jail!)
WTF?
The Mossad are experts at tradecraft!
No intel agency is better!
There tentacles run deep!
(How did Epstein get the fake passport?)
Ya think there's a connection between the Mossad and Epstein's fake passport?
Duuh!