2 Decades Of American Blood and Treasure Gone Almost In Minutes, Thanks Joey Bibs!

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by royamcr

He's just a fucktard that throws around fake facts and calls names.

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[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Ok. So you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about on this either. And it’s clear you don’t do much traveling. You have zero credibility. Or you’re just lying. Either way, you’re a know nothing.

He's a zero-credibility know-nothing liar.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Ok. So you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about on this either. And it’s clear you don’t do much traveling. You have zero credibility. Or you’re just lying. Either way, you’re a know nothing.

I believe he's got a clue, it's just that reality doesn't fit his narrative as well as he'd like it to. All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the USA through airports, and immigration officials looked at their passports.

I have foreign friends and business associates who regularly "come back and forth into the country on a visitor's visa ... with impunity." One is from a third world country and has been doing it for over 20 years. Typically if you're a decent type with ties to your home country and able to support yourself financially, you get a 10 year multiple entry visa that lets you come and go at will.

Now there is more than a grain of truth to the Trumpsters' fears. Yes, there have been some terrorists who came across the Mexican border illegally, although I can't recall any having actually committed violent terrorist acts in the USA.

And there's the other biggie, COVID. Dr. Ivonne Lopez Lopez in McAllen, Texas was on Doctor Radio the other evening and said a group of 1500 undocumented immigrants were tested in her area and 20% were positive. Now this is undoubtedly an exceptional case. And even if it weren't, we've got 140,000 people testing positive for COVID every day. There's no way these people coming right now from Central America and Mexico are more than a drop in the bucket.

Now I'd like to have more controls on the border to staunch the flow of undocumented immigrants, except of course for those from Vietnam and Cuba who tend to vote for Republicans. And giving them a COVID test and the vaccine when they enter makes a lot of sense too. But come on, how big of a problem is this in the scheme of things? The Trumpsters want you to believe it's huge, in some small part because they're looking for scapegoats.

And as to LexusLover, hell if I know what he's thinking. He says he's a Democrat, and the majority of undocumented people coming into America will vote for Democrats if they're ever naturalized. So I'm not sure what his problem is.

And because the sarcasm in my post is subtle, and some here (not you Blackman) have trouble recognizing sarcasm when it hits them in the face, I do not believe immigration decisions should be made based on which party the person is likely to vote for. I believe it should be made on who can contribute to the country -- engineers, doctors, scientist, investors, entrepreneurs and skilled workers in areas where we have shortages should be at the front of the line.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I do not believe immigration decisions should be made based on which party the person is likely to vote for. I believe it should be made on who can contribute to the country -- engineers, doctors, scientist, investors, entrepreneurs and skilled workers in areas where we have shortages should be at the front of the line.

Who the hell is gonna pick the fruits and veggies? American non-skilled workers?

(Now that's some sarcasm for your ass Chiquito!)






In 'Dirty Work,' Eyal Press Talks To People Doing The Toughest Hidden Jobs

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1028666043

He writes that these workers often do jobs that many of us believe we benefit from in the form of lower prices, safer streets or cheaper energy, but don't really much want to think about. The work tends to fall to people with fewer opportunities, he writes. And when we hear about ill effects associated with these jobs, like COVID infections from poultry slaughterhouses or inhumane treatment of the incarcerated, we often condemn the workers rather than the exploitative system in which they work.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Who the hell is gonna pick the fruits and veggies? American non-skilled workers?

(Now that's some sarcasm for your ass Chiquito!)






In 'Dirty Work,' Eyal Press Talks To People Doing The Toughest Hidden Jobs

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1028666043

I think we need guest workers to pick the fruits and veggies. This is very important because Americans eat too much red meat and processed foods, and we're getting fat and unhealthy.

They should not be allowed to become citizens however unless they're going to vote for Republicans.

Honestly, you're right. It's a win/win situation. Americans don't want to do this work. Foreigners do, and it's a great source of income for them and their families. And I agree with the article, there should be controls so they're not exploited.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I think we need guest workers to pick the fruits and veggies. This is very important because Americans eat too much red meat and processed foods, and we're getting fat and unhealthy.

They should not be allowed to become citizens however unless they're going to vote for Republicans.

Honestly, you're right. It's a win/win situation. Americans don't want to do this work. Foreigners do, and it's a great source of income for them and their families. And I agree with the article, there should be controls so they're not exploited.

Seasonal workers? Like a traveling circus? Pick the Washington apples, the endless bounty of California? Land of the fruits and nuts. The Plain's great crops?

It's pretty much a year-end "gig". Give them citizenship. And don't be surprised when they vote for those who protect their interests.

We need a serious Labor Party.

Your middle paragraph roused me.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Seasonal workers? Like a traveling circus? Pick the Washington apples, the endless bounty of California? Land of the fruits and nuts. The Plain's great crops?

It's pretty much a year-end "gig". Give them citizenship. And don't be surprised when they vote for those who protect their interests.

We need a serious Labor Party.

Your middle paragraph roused me.

OK, I changed my mind. I agree with you. We should give citizenship to the low skilled workers. The high skilled people can come in as guest workers but they have to leave.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...ons-2018-05-14

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

OK, I changed my mind. I agree with you. We should give citizenship to the low skilled workers. The high skilled people can come in as guest workers but they have to leave.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...ons-2018-05-14

High-skilled people from other countries? No, the opposite, say Anna Maria Mayda of Georgetown University, Giovanni Peri of the University of California, Davis, and Walter Steingress of the Bank of Canada, in a working paper circulated by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

“We find that an increase in low-skilled immigrants affects the vote of U.S. counties in different ways,” the authors write in a new paper, “but in general tends to push voters towards the Republican Party. Non-urban, low-skill counties with high local public spending strongly increased their Republican vote share in response to low-skilled immigration.” The authors associate the GOP with more-restrictive immigration policies, saying that’s what it usually championed in the 20 years they consider.

Interesting. I'd agree with that if the company had a profit sharing program. Not exploitative.

Wait! I think it just drives up Republican voter turn out when they see all the dirty workers.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I believe he's got a clue, it's just that reality doesn't fit his narrative as well as he'd like it to. All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the USA through airports, and immigration officials looked at their passports.

I have foreign friends and business associates who regularly "come back and forth into the country on a visitor's visa ... with impunity." One is from a third world country and has been doing it for over 20 years. Typically if you're a decent type with ties to your home country and able to support yourself financially, you get a 10 year multiple entry visa that lets you come and go at will.

Now there is more than a grain of truth to the Trumpsters' fears. Yes, there have been some terrorists who came across the Mexican border illegally, although I can't recall any having actually committed violent terrorist acts in the USA.

And there's the other biggie, COVID. Dr. Ivonne Lopez Lopez in McAllen, Texas was on Doctor Radio the other evening and said a group of 1500 undocumented immigrants were tested in her area and 20% were positive. Now this is undoubtedly an exceptional case. And even if it weren't, we've got 140,000 people testing positive for COVID every day. There's no way these people coming right now from Central America and Mexico are more than a drop in the bucket.

Now I'd like to have more controls on the border to staunch the flow of undocumented immigrants, except of course for those from Vietnam and Cuba who tend to vote for Republicans. And giving them a COVID test and the vaccine when they enter makes a lot of sense too. But come on, how big of a problem is this in the scheme of things? The Trumpsters want you to believe it's huge, in some small part because they're looking for scapegoats.

And as to LexusLover, hell if I know what he's thinking. He says he's a Democrat, and the majority of undocumented people coming into America will vote for Democrats if they're ever naturalized. So I'm not sure what his problem is.

And because the sarcasm in my post is subtle, and some here (not you Blackman) have trouble recognizing sarcasm when it hits them in the face, I do not believe immigration decisions should be made based on which party the person is likely to vote for. I believe it should be made on who can contribute to the country -- engineers, doctors, scientist, investors, entrepreneurs and skilled workers in areas where we have shortages should be at the front of the line.

This is what pisses me off. I don't know who the woman was but I heard the words come right out of her mouth in an interview so this isn't something Fox News made up. She said that 80% tested positive. I know damn well that is what she said, I am positive of it.


My democrat fiend and I were discussing this problem at the border and I mentioned that many untested immigrants were being released into the country and he says "no, not true". He says that what he has heard and that of course Fox news was wrong in their reporting, that nobody but nobody that tested positive was being released, they were all being treated and quarantined. I said sorry, I don't believe that for a minute but at this point, who the fuck knows what the facts are any more. What I do know is that positive or not, the border is a fucking mess and it is AGAIN, 100% Joe Biden's fault. Just like Afghanistan, the border didn't have to happen like this and you could hear it in Mayorkas's voice when he didn't know he was being recorded that he knows they all fucked this up bad and that we came close to, as he put it, "breaking point at the border". Breaking point? Shit that point was reached weeks ago. The border is broken and shows no sign of being fixed but that was the plan all along.


Yeah it seems unreal that the Biden administration would fuck up this bad solely to acquire future votes but I wouldn't put anything past these people. They hate America the way it is and want to dramatically change it to something I sure as hell don't want to see.


Some guy on MSNBC summed up the Democrats position when he said that just getting a few thousand Afghan's out that helped us over the years wasn't enough, we should be giving refugee status to "millions" he said and he meant it. Then add a few million Haitians, Venezuelans, throw in a million or so from Guatemala and a couple million more from El Salvador and then maybe we'll have the America these Democrats want.


And it isn't about "Brown people" as Lemon and Cuomo are saying over at MSNBC. Color doesn't make a damn bit of difference. It is culture and education and ability to do more than pick fruit and clean a hotel room that matters. When you see hundreds hanging around the Home Depot parking lot looking for day work, you have to ask yourself, is this any way to run an immigration process? No, it isn't.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

This is what pisses me off. I don't know who the woman was but I heard the words come right out of her mouth in an interview so this isn't something Fox News made up. She said that 80% tested positive. I know damn well that is what she said, I am positive of it.


My democrat fiend and I were discussing this problem at the border and I mentioned that many untested immigrants were being released into the country and he says "no, not true". He says that what he has heard and that of course Fox news was wrong in their reporting, that nobody but nobody that tested positive was being released, they were all being treated and quarantined. I said sorry, I don't believe that for a minute but at this point, who the fuck knows what the facts are any more. What I do know is that positive or not, the border is a fucking mess and it is AGAIN, 100% Joe Biden's fault. Just like Afghanistan, the border didn't have to happen like this and you could hear it in Mayorkas's voice when he didn't know he was being recorded that he knows they all fucked this up bad and that we came close to, as he put it, "breaking point at the border". Breaking point? Shit that point was reached weeks ago. The border is broken and shows no sign of being fixed but that was the plan all along.


Yeah it seems unreal that the Biden administration would fuck up this bad solely to acquire future votes but I wouldn't put anything past these people. They hate America the way it is and want to dramatically change it to something I sure as hell don't want to see.


Some guy on MSNBC summed up the Democrats position when he said that just getting a few thousand Afghan's out that helped us over the years wasn't enough, we should be giving refugee status to "millions" he said and he meant it. Then add a few million Haitians, Venezuelans, throw in a million or so from Guatemala and a couple million more from El Salvador and then maybe we'll have the America these Democrats want.


And it isn't about "Brown people" as Lemon and Cuomo are saying over at MSNBC. Color doesn't make a damn bit of difference. It is culture and education and ability to do more than pick fruit and clean a hotel room that matters. When you see hundreds hanging around the Home Depot parking lot looking for day work, you have to ask yourself, is this any way to run an immigration process? No, it isn't.

Yeah, the media is so full of shit it's hard to know the truth just by listening to them. The 20% number sounds reasonable. 80% does not. Sometimes you have people herded together like cattle in trucks, and then the same thing happens again when they're housed in immigration facilities. So I imagine it wouldn't be hard to end up with 20% infected. Thinking about it, I may have been wrong when I said that must have been an exceptional case, the one cited by Dr. Ivonne Lopez Lopez. Twenty percent may be more like the average right now.

And yes, an organized guest worker program makes a lot more sense than catch and release and people having to freelance in the Home Depot parking lot to find jobs. I think our friendly progressive Eccieuser would agree with that -- it's easier on the worker and there's less potential for exploitation.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Wait! I think it just drives up Republican voter turn out when they see all the dirty workers.

This is my theory about claims of voter fraud by Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and others. They scared and pissed off Georgia Democrats so they went to the polls in droves to vote for Warnock and Ossoff. And the rest is history -- Trump et al handed the Senate to Chuck Schumer on a silver platter.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Who the hell is gonna pick the fruits and veggies? American non-skilled workers?

(Now that's some sarcasm for your ass Chiquito!)

those type of jobs can be automated using machines designed for a certain type of harvest.


they have to be willing to invest in it.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Let me get this straight , We ( puddens) knew it was a bad plan ( blame on Big T ) but for 6 months we did nothing , Then we Pulled the plug overnight ( and its the Intell bad) . And of couse the agfeans fault
At lease Biggie T s plan was to evac non-combatants first not after the fall ???????

And we believe this

Big T had a plan to leave AG. It was sooner rather than later. He got voted out so he did not get a chance to execute it.

Agreed the non-combatants should have been evacuated before the troops were pulled. Although there is video of the Taliban soldiers escorting Americans to the Kabul airport.

Bottom line the Afgan leaders failed their people. They were strongly advised to seek settlements with the Taliban after non essentials were pulled from the embassy in April 2021.

The USA trained them for 20 years and still their soldiers (security forces) would not fight. That's on them not on Joe Biden. How many more years would you like for the USA to keep training them?

[royamcr]

Gonna need sources and details about what the mess is like at the border. How big of mess, was it a mess when trump was the worst president ever?

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

This is what pisses me off. I don't know who the woman was but I heard the words come right out of her mouth in an interview so this isn't something Fox News made up. She said that 80% tested positive. I know damn well that is what she said, I am positive of it.


My democrat fiend and I were discussing this problem at the border and I mentioned that many untested immigrants were being released into the country and he says "no, not true". He says that what he has heard and that of course Fox news was wrong in their reporting, that nobody but nobody that tested positive was being released, they were all being treated and quarantined. I said sorry, I don't believe that for a minute but at this point, who the fuck knows what the facts are any more. What I do know is that positive or not, the border is a fucking mess and it is AGAIN, 100% Joe Biden's fault. Just like Afghanistan, the border didn't have to happen like this and you could hear it in Mayorkas's voice when he didn't know he was being recorded that he knows they all fucked this up bad and that we came close to, as he put it, "breaking point at the border". Breaking point? Shit that point was reached weeks ago. The border is broken and shows no sign of being fixed but that was the plan all along.


Yeah it seems unreal that the Biden administration would fuck up this bad solely to acquire future votes but I wouldn't put anything past these people. They hate America the way it is and want to dramatically change it to something I sure as hell don't want to see.


Some guy on MSNBC summed up the Democrats position when he said that just getting a few thousand Afghan's out that helped us over the years wasn't enough, we should be giving refugee status to "millions" he said and he meant it. Then add a few million Haitians, Venezuelans, throw in a million or so from Guatemala and a couple million more from El Salvador and then maybe we'll have the America these Democrats want.


And it isn't about "Brown people" as Lemon and Cuomo are saying over at MSNBC. Color doesn't make a damn bit of difference. It is culture and education and ability to do more than pick fruit and clean a hotel room that matters. When you see hundreds hanging around the Home Depot parking lot looking for day work, you have to ask yourself, is this any way to run an immigration process? No, it isn't.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

those type of jobs can be automated using machines designed for a certain type of harvest.


they have to be willing to invest in it.

Correct. We don't need another 20 million "fruit pickers" or "c store clerks." Soon we won't need 20 million Uber drivers either.

Most of these people will go on Uncle Sam's "Universal Income" plan.

And from the looks of those who are coming over the border and flying in from evacuation planes, I don't want them tugging at my dick either.