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[bambino]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

What do my "experts" say? Follow the links and read the excerpts I included. Pretty easy. I'd ask you what "your experts" say but you didn't show any that refuted me.

I'm not disputing their data. It is what it is.

I'm disputing your use of their data. I included part of their disclaimer (I even put it in bold print so you would see it You still missed it). It's very clear about using the data as entered by whoever. The data isn't used until it is verified

The data means nothing until the CDC and the FDA analyze and investigate each entry. 5000 (example) entries in the "deaths from the vaccine" column, entered by whoever, means nothing other than a claim to check.

If you would have checked my VAERS link you wouldn't have to ask who my "experts" are. It also would have told you how to use the data you didn't understand.

I understand the data. People are dying from the vaccine. At higher rates than other vaccines according to VAERS. They are experimental vaccines. You can still contract/ transmit COVID while vaccinated. Ask the Democrats that fled Texas. They were all vaccinated if you believe them. If you're younger than 65 and don’t have pre-existing conditions, you have valid reasons to decline the vaccine. Because the “cure” may be worse than the disease.

[oeb11]

VS - your post #102 - taken mostly from CDC - Is One i agree with
Thank You for a cogent resp[onse to bambino.


B- I disagree - the post #100 is incorrect - as well as to the effect of vaccines on viral mutation.

Thank you for posting the sources - but - no.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by merkitroid

Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' Words that all of you intelligent people should heed. Only idiots need reply. Thanks.

Thank you - good Sir!!!

[bambino]

Originally Posted by oeb11

VS - your post #102 - taken mostly from CDC - Is One i agree with
Thank You for a cogent resp[onse to bambino.


B- I disagree - the post #100 is incorrect - as well as to the effect of vaccines on viral mutation.

Thank you for posting the sources - but - no.

What do you disagree with? Explain? Vaccines do not control mutation in viruses. The COVID vaccine is more deadly than all vaccines combined during a 15 yr stretch. 1997 thru 2013. So, if you compare the numbers using VAERS data, apples to apples, it’s true.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/

[bambino]

I guess the mailmen don’t agree with C3. They don’t want mandatory vaccines;


https://www.apwu.org/news/apwu-state...eral-employees

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Thank you - good Sir!!!

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Can’t believe the stupidity. Get the shot and maybe help stop the next mutation. New stricter CDC bs is garbage but use your brains people. Talk to experts. Your buddy isn’t an expert.

This is crazy. You’re telling people to get vaccinated to stay safe from a bug that doesn’t exist.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

This is crazy. You’re telling people to get vaccinated to stay safe from a bug that doesn’t exist.

All a Democrat "hoax"...................BWAHA AAA

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

All a Democrat "hoax"...................BWAHA AAA

Maybe you have trouble reading, but the op here says to get vaccinated to stop the next variant. The “next variant”, by definition, does not and may never exist.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Maybe you have trouble reading, but the op here says to get vaccinated to stop the next variant. The “next variant”, by definition, does not and may never exist.

And you know this for a fact? BWAHAHAHHA

[Jacuzzme]

I know for a fact that something that doesn’t exist yet doesn’t currently exist. It’s not a difficult concept.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

I know for a fact that something that doesn’t exist yet doesn’t currently exist. It’s not a difficult concept.

Amazing isn't it, lol.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

I know for a fact that something that doesn’t exist yet doesn’t currently exist. It’s not a difficult concept.

Yeah...like voter fraud enough to have Trump a winner....


doesn’t exist

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Maybe you have trouble reading, but the op here says to get vaccinated to stop the next variant. The “next variant”, by definition, does not and may never exist.

You stop the "next variant" by eliminating the virus that produces the variants. As long as there are hosts with the virus, there will be mutations and new variants. The fewer the hosts, the fewer the variants.

There already are at least 4 variants (of the covid-19). When they are identified, the CDC researches the differences between the variants (the "Delta" version is thought to spread more easily) and try to determine if the current vaccine will be effective against the new variant (if not they may determine we need a booster of some type). Or you may need a whole new vaccine. It depends on the mutation.

"Viruses constantly change through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur. Sometimes new variants emerge and disappear. Other times, new variants persist. Multiple variants of the virus that causes COVID-1have been documented in the United States and globally during this pandemic."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s/variant.html

The point is, if everybody were vaccinated (unlikely), and the vaccine was 100% effective (also unlikely), there would be no place for the covid virus to mutate to new variants (this explanation should make sense to those who believe the lab theory of origin since the virus doesn't occur in nature).

The more people that are vaccinated, the fewer potential hosts, to house the virus, and fewer chances for the virus to mutate.
That's where "herd immunity" comes in.

If you have 100 cows and 90 have been vaccinated or had the virus, you have 10 that might catch the virus. Those 10 are the only place the virus can mutate (for example purposes no new variants can enter this farm). It doesn't eliminate the chance of a mutation but it greatly reduces the odds. The chances of a single cow mutating the virus (to a vaccine resistant strain) and passing it on to the rest of the herd are low.
The variants we see now are the results of numerous millions of hosts.

To sum up, variants are inevitable. The more time, the more possibilities of a variant that the vaccine won't be effective against.

That's how the vaccine now, keeps future variants from occurring.

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by bambino

What do you disagree with? Explain? Vaccines do not control mutation in viruses. The COVID vaccine is more deadly than all vaccines combined during a 15 yr stretch. 1997 thru 2013. So, if you compare the numbers using VAERS data, apples to apples, it’s true.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/

You're still missing the point. The VAERS data you can see is "raw" data. I've posted the FDA disclaimer twice now concerning the use of their data.

Your claims about the covid vaccine being more deadly than any other virus vaccine are completely unfounded. The VAERS data you claim is proof, isn't.

Maybe 3 times is the charm.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
FDA disclaimer.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

Here is a link showing deaths from the vaccine.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-ma...ne-in-the-u-s/

I'm not an expert but you don't need to be one to link to real experts. You don't need to be an expert to read the FDA website. It is normal person friendly.