No review policy for remaining Dallas AMPs

[Treetop78759]

That is a horrible policy. Reviews are what helps LE battle the evils of human trafficking.

[oldphone14]

Originally Posted by Treetop78759

That is a horrible policy. Reviews are what helps LE battle the evils of human trafficking.

Just so everyone understands, he is literally LEO/LEO informant.

He admits it here:
https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2783759

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

I was working out of town last summer and met a girl on Wechat who worked at a massage shop. Fun person to talk to and I learned a lot from her about how the Chinese massage scene works. She lives in NYC, is unhappily married to a guy who sounds like a real jerk, and has a daughter who just finished college in NYC to be a teacher. She told me that massage is just one job that Chinese here can do and whenever she wants to work she just sends a message to her "agent". She told me that some girls try to go into sex shops because they make more money. She doesn't want that so she makes sure the agent knows that she doesn't go to a spa that is a sex shop. She has never been sent to one. Whenever she is ready to quit working she just quits and goes back to NYC. She has never once been asked or pressured by anyone outside of a few customers who were just being normal guys to do anything she did not want to do.

As far as trafficking goes, she told me its mostly BS. She knows a lot of massage girls and to her knowledge none of them have ever been trafficking victims. She told me that if the place gets busted the girls just play victim because it works and that is why so many massage shops are accused of trafficking women.

[runon]

Originally Posted by oldphone14

Just so everyone understands, he is literally LEO/LEO informant.

He admits it here:
https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2783759

If you think there need to be force labor is only thing that’s considered as trafficking, you need little education.
Many girls in Massage Parlors and Spas in Dallas are fall under fraud and coercion. Another easy check is by their immigration status.

Here is a little educational flyer

https://ctip.defense.gov/Portals/12/Trafficking_in_Persons_101_Fac t_Sheet_2020.pdf?ver=2020-08-20-143340-510

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

Originally Posted by runon

If you think there need to be force labor is only thing that’s considered as trafficking, you need little education.
Many girls in Massage Parlors and Spas in Dallas are fall under fraud and coercion. Another easy check is by their immigration status.

Here is a little educational flyer

https://ctip.defense.gov/Portals/12/...-20-143340-510

Your link doesn't work. She is Chinese. Most people in Dallas are Korean. How do we check their immigration status? Which girls specifically are trafficked? You have an army of people here who will come to their aid.

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

Originally Posted by oldphone14

Just so everyone understands, he is literally LEO/LEO informant.

He admits it here:
https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2783759

Busting actual trafficking operations is fine. We need to do more of that. The girls need to know that they can rely on us to get them out of trouble if they are in that situation. If this person knows of those situations and informs local officials he should be praised not derided.

This is in contrast to the goofball above who is just blabbering with no actual evidence despite numerous requests for specifics.

[runon]

Originally Posted by kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS

Your link doesn't work. She is Chinese. Most people in Dallas are Korean. How do we check their immigration status? Which girls specifically are trafficked? You have an army of people here who will come to their aid.

510https://ctip.defense.gov/Portals/12/...-20-143340-510

Naive to think it doesn’t happen to Koreans

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

Originally Posted by runon

510https://ctip.defense.gov/Portals/12/...-20-143340-510

Naive to think it doesn’t happen to Koreans

Thank you for the updated and working link. Very informative. Now its your time to shine. Which spas use trafficked girls? Does Chung and Shasha traffic? What about Kiss? Does she traffic? We need the names of the girls too.

[Handsome Nashville]

Dallas was/is the only remaining fun city in the entire country to my knowledge. There were other cities in the past that were fun but all got shutdown for good. It seemed like when BP shutdown everything changed. I wonder if some college chicks on BP felt it was more like a dating site and ran away once they found out it got shutdown since they never migrated over to other sites. I am speaking about different cities regarding BP, Dallas is still pretty active in the non spa department.

[oldphone14]

Originally Posted by kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS

I was working out of town last summer and met a girl on Wechat who worked at a massage shop. Fun person to talk to and I learned a lot from her about how the Chinese massage scene works. She lives in NYC, is unhappily married to a guy who sounds like a real jerk, and has a daughter who just finished college in NYC to be a teacher. She told me that massage is just one job that Chinese here can do and whenever she wants to work she just sends a message to her "agent". She told me that some girls try to go into sex shops because they make more money. She doesn't want that so she makes sure the agent knows that she doesn't go to a spa that is a sex shop. She has never been sent to one. Whenever she is ready to quit working she just quits and goes back to NYC. She has never once been asked or pressured by anyone outside of a few customers who were just being normal guys to do anything she did not want to do.

As far as trafficking goes, she told me its mostly BS. She knows a lot of massage girls and to her knowledge none of them have ever been trafficking victims. She told me that if the place gets busted the girls just play victim because it works and that is why so many massage shops are accused of trafficking women.

Exactly.

Good luck finding actual "SEX SLAVERY" in AMPS, its just a facade for moralists and vice informants to feel important.

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

Originally Posted by oldphone14

Exactly.

Good luck finding actual "SEX SLAVERY" in AMPS, its just a facade for moralists and vice informants to feel important.

According to the trouble maker poster in this thread (who is very likely Peter Bota, vadc, etc., etc.), sex slavery is rampant in Dallas. He claims to have so much insider information about the horrors that are being done to the girls. That being said, he has provided ZERO proof or evidence of it and as far as I can tell has done nothing to actually help these "victims". One thing is for sure though, he does appear to hate Luxury and all people associated with the place.

[Jayhawk328]

Originally Posted by kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS

According to the trouble maker poster in this thread (who is very likely Peter Bota, vadc, etc., etc.), sex slavery is rampant in Dallas. He claims to have so much insider information about the horrors that are being done to the girls. That being said, he has provided ZERO proof or evidence of it and as far as I can tell has done nothing to actually help these "victims". One thing is for sure though, he does appear to hate Luxury and all people associated with the place.

I'm pretty sure he just hates the people /promoters.....as do I.

But with that being said, guys that have frequented AMP's and know some of these ladies outside the spa would probably say that trafficking is not really an issue. When I hear the word "trafficked", I think of Liam Neeson's daughter in the movie "Taken" where she is so drugged up that she is not even coherent. I know a few non-AMP providers that have been in the "business" since they were 18 (they're now in late 20's / early 30's). They started doing this at 18 years old because it's great money, but by the time they're 30 (and maybe even have 1 or 2 kids) and don't look as good as when they're 18, it's a little too late to make a career change. So they get stuck in the business because they don't have any real world skills......or even worse, they aren't willing to go get a low-level job (e.g. administrative assistant for $30k/year) because they're used to making way more money and working a lot less hours.

So I think for a lot of the AMP ladies, they get stuck in the same way every escort does, but what makes it worse is that some AMP ladies are not actual citizens and don't speak very good english. So it becomes next to impossible to leave the business. So for the AMP ladies that want out of the business but are stuck, I wouldn't necessarily call them victims.....i would more so say they just made a bad choice when they were really young.

I have no special insight or credentials saying any of this....just my opinion. I'm sure there are some ladies that are true victims out there, but I can't say that I have met any during my short AMP hobby career.

[ahab11]

Yep the girls in massage parlous could easily be trafficked. A family in Korea gets into debt borrows money they cannot repay sure they find a family member who they can sell and it's usually a young female.

That is exactly what is happening on the Texas border except they are from Central America and they are arriving by the thousands every day in massive debt to smugglers who will hold the family in the village back home under the threat of duress if they do not make immediate payments.

Is anything on a Government level being done to control or stop this? NOPE

Does this Government care that traffickers are making big bucks smuggling humans into the USA? NOPE

So why would they care about a small group of Koreans????????????

I just left a review for Maple and in hindsight yeah bad idea.

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk328

I'm pretty sure he just hates the people /promoters.....as do I.

But with that being said, guys that have frequented AMP's and know some of these ladies outside the spa would probably say that trafficking is not really an issue. When I hear the word "trafficked", I think of Liam Neeson's daughter in the movie "Taken" where she is so drugged up that she is not even coherent. I know a few non-AMP providers that have been in the "business" since they were 18 (they're now in late 20's / early 30's). They started doing this at 18 years old because it's great money, but by the time they're 30 (and maybe even have 1 or 2 kids) and don't look as good as when they're 18, it's a little too late to make a career change. So they get stuck in the business because they don't have any real world skills......or even worse, they aren't willing to go get a low-level job (e.g. administrative assistant for $30k/year) because they're used to making way more money and working a lot less hours.

So I think for a lot of the AMP ladies, they get stuck in the same way every escort does, but what makes it worse is that some AMP ladies are not actual citizens and don't speak very good english. So it becomes next to impossible to leave the business. So for the AMP ladies that want out of the business but are stuck, I wouldn't necessarily call them victims.....i would more so say they just made a bad choice when they were really young.

I have no special insight or credentials saying any of this....just my opinion. I'm sure there are some ladies that are true victims out there, but I can't say that I have met any during my short AMP hobby career.

That is what it sounded like to me. Similar to a middle aged factory worker in the US with no education or job skills. They hate what they do, they are not necessarily a victim of anything, but at the same time they are stuck in their current situation.

[kwaHyaJ4odliDdekipS]

Originally Posted by ahab11

Yep the girls in massage parlous could easily be trafficked. A family in Korea gets into debt borrows money they cannot repay sure they find a family member who they can sell and it's usually a young female.

That is exactly what is happening on the Texas border except they are from Central America and they are arriving by the thousands every day in massive debt to smugglers who will hold the family in the village back home under the threat of duress if they do not make immediate payments.

Is anything on a Government level being done to control or stop this? NOPE

Does this Government care that traffickers are making big bucks smuggling humans into the USA? NOPE

So why would they care about a small group of Koreans????????????

I just left a review for Maple and in hindsight yeah bad idea.

If anyone can PROVE that girls in Dallas are being held against their will they need to blow the whistle and get the girls out instead of bitching about trafficking online.