The Derek Chauvin Trial.....It Begins

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

I'll trust the Coroner's opinion. Homicide.

you might want to review the actual evidence .. just sayin'.

this is coming directly from the court case.



https://jonathanturley.org/2021/04/0...opsy-findings/


the prosecution wants to distance itself from the autopsy because of the substances Floyd was on.


the prosecution is looking shaky for a murder rap ..


Prosecutors Ask Jurors To Dismiss George Floyd Autopsy Findings



Last week, special prosecutor Jerry Blackwell admitted to jurors that Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker pointed to cardiac arrest as Floyd’s cause of death. However, he insisted that the state would prove that “was … not a fatal heart event,” but asphyxiation.


The autopsy did not conclude that Floyd died from asphyxiation (though a family pathologist made that finding). Rather, it found “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).” The state’s criminal complaint against Chauvin said the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” He also was COVID-19 positive.


Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, strongly suggested that the primary cause was a huge amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s system: “Fentanyl at 11 ng/ml — this is higher than (a) chronic pain patient. If he were found dead at home alone & no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD (overdose). Deaths have been certified w/levels of 3.” Baker also told investigators that the autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting Floyd died of asphyxiation.

►The toxicology report on Floyd’s blood also noted that “in fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/ml.” Floyd had almost four times the level of fentanyl considered potentially lethal.


►Floyd notably repeatedly said that he could not breathe while sitting in the police cruiser and before he was ever restrained on the ground. That is consistent with the level of fentanyl in his system that can cause “slowed or stopped breathing.”


►Floyd’s lungs were two to three times the normal size and filled with fluid. “Pulmonary edema is a condition caused by excess fluid in the lungs” and it is symptomatic of an opioid overdose, according to Mayo Clinic. However, it should be noted that the Mayo Clinic report also addresses “Non-heart-related (non cardiogenic) pulmonary edema” and “Negative pressure pulmonary edema,” which could be used to support the prosecution’s theory.


►Finally, the restraint using an officer’s knee on an uncooperative suspect was part of the training of officers, and jurors will watch training videotapes employing the same type of restraint as official policy.


What is interesting is that the prosecution is putting on experts like they are making a defense case. It is usually the defense that brings in a host of doctors to challenge official autopsy findings. Here however the state doctor’s findings contradict the prosecutor’s case.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

I'll fooockin go as far as saying. That I believe Police should have the Right to shoot you down if you resist, run and especially if you are combative and try to fight!
With ZERO liability!

That's how they handle things in China and Russia. You like communism.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by royamcr

That's how they handle things in China and Russia. You like communism.

[tman1847]

"The autopsy did not conclude that Floyd died from asphyxiation (though a family pathologist made that finding). Rather, it found “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).” The state’s criminal complaint against Chauvin said the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” He also was COVID-19 positive."


Whenever Attorney $$$ Crump $$$ is involved they will find someone who provides favorable autopsy to the prosecution. A year after the "Michael Brown Hands Up Don't Shoot" LIE they discovered Crumps pathologist wasn't even a doctor

[bambino]

Originally Posted by tman1847

"The autopsy did not conclude that Floyd died from asphyxiation (though a family pathologist made that finding). Rather, it found “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).” The state’s criminal complaint against Chauvin said the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” He also was COVID-19 positive."


Whenever Attorney $$$ Crump $$$ is involved they will find someone who provides favorable autopsy to the prosecution. A year after the "Michael Brown Hands Up Don't Shoot" LIE they discovered Crumps pathologist wasn't even a doctor

I’m not sure the Crumpster is a lawyer.

[bambino]

Look familiar?

https://t.me/saltycrackernews/1042

Only it’s a white guy on the ground.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

you might want to review the actual evidence .. just sayin'.

Nah! He has proven to many times that he isn't interested in evidence.


https://www.startribune.com/cause-of-death-at-issue-in-chauvin-trial-as-prosecution-questions-medical-examiner-s-findings/600041966/

Prosecutors trying the former Minneapolis police officer charged with murder in George Floyd's death appeared to distance themselves last week from the medical findings on his cause of death, issued by the only doctor who performed an autopsy.

So the prosecutor doesn't trust the Medical examiner but you do?

Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, seized on the issue. To raise reasonable doubt, he told jurors in his opening statement, "The state was not satisfied with Dr. Baker's work so they have contracted with numerous physicians to contradict Dr. Baker's findings, and this will ultimately be another significant battle in this trial: What was Mr. Floyd's actual cause of death?"
He noted that Baker was the only person to perform an autopsy on Floyd.
"Dr. Baker found none of what are referred to as the telltale signs of asphyxiation," said Nelson. "There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted and he did not determine [it] to be a positional or mechanical asphyxia death."
So, if the "evidence" doesn't show asphyxia/ suffocation, then Floyd did not die from a knee to the neck. I'm sure that knee to the neck for that period of time didn't help matters and it surely led to Floyd struggling, increasing his heart add and pumping more and more adrenaline to add to the fatal dose of drugs in his system causing his heart to fail. A reasonable conclusion . My non expert opinion.

If the law was applied as it is meant to be, reasonable doubt can be found in this case, easily.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Nah! He has proven to many times that he isn't interested in evidence.


https://www.startribune.com/cause-of-death-at-issue-in-chauvin-trial-as-prosecution-questions-medical-examiner-s-findings/600041966/

Prosecutors trying the former Minneapolis police officer charged with murder in George Floyd's death appeared to distance themselves last week from the medical findings on his cause of death, issued by the only doctor who performed an autopsy.

So the prosecutor doesn't trust the Medical examiner but you do?

Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, seized on the issue. To raise reasonable doubt, he told jurors in his opening statement, "The state was not satisfied with Dr. Baker's work so they have contracted with numerous physicians to contradict Dr. Baker's findings, and this will ultimately be another significant battle in this trial: What was Mr. Floyd's actual cause of death?"
He noted that Baker was the only person to perform an autopsy on Floyd.
"Dr. Baker found none of what are referred to as the telltale signs of asphyxiation," said Nelson. "There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted and he did not determine [it] to be a positional or mechanical asphyxia death."
So, if the "evidence" doesn't show asphyxia/ suffocation, then Floyd did not die from a knee to the neck. I'm sure that knee to the neck for that period of time didn't help matters and it surely led to Floyd struggling, increasing his heart add and pumping more and more adrenaline to add to the fatal dose of drugs in his system causing his heart to fail. A reasonable conclusion . My non expert opinion.

If the law was applied as it is meant to be, reasonable doubt can be found in this case, easily.

And all the MSM commentators said the Defense attorney botched his opening statement and seems overmatched in this trial. He’s methodically tearing into the prosecutions case. It certainly gives me a reasonable doubt. Chauvin has a stronger case than OJ Simpson did. And OJ walked.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by bambino

Look familiar?

https://t.me/saltycrackernews/1042

Only it’s a white guy on the ground.

He didn't die either. He's also much smaller than the Officer. Could it be his system is void of any CDS. The original Narrative for George Floyd is beginning to fall apart at the seams.

[gnadfly]

Can we start rioting yet?

This is all for show. Let the burning begin.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Can we start rioting yet?

This is all for show. Let the burning begin.

“Whitey be da man dats bringin me down..
But tonight me and my Bro’s we gonna burn this town...
Gonna go on all night lootin spree...
Be gettin me a big screen color TV.

[reddog1951]

"It's not the same thing not even close. A knee on the shoulder blade doesn't obstruct the exchange of gases the same as a snake completely wrapping itself around it's prey and squeezing until the lungs can no longer expand the rib cage."

Completely wrong info provided by someone who obviously has no understanding of anatomy/physiology. The lungs do NOT expand the rib cage! Breathing is muscular...the diaphragm (a muscle) contracts downward toward the abdomen and the chest wall muscles contract to expand the volume in the chest cavity. This creates negative pressure in the chest cavity...air flows in, then exhales when the afore mentioned muscles relax. The lungs themselves are passive to this process. Their function is to provide a blood/air gas exchange mechanism (both O2 and CO2 normally) only.

Don't believe me, try breathing without expanding your chest even a bit.

Ventilators and positive pressure breathing devises work the opposite by artificially expanding the lungs and chest cavity by forcing air in like blowing up a balloon; exhalation occurs when the positive pressure is released. That explains how breathing can be artificially maintained for those whose breathing muscles are paralyzed...Christopher Reeves.

Don't know if the police did or not, but if their restraint kept his chest from expanding, then he suffocated.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

"It's not the same thing not even close. A knee on the shoulder blade doesn't obstruct the exchange of gases the same as a snake completely wrapping itself around it's prey and squeezing until the lungs can no longer expand the rib cage."

Completely wrong info provided by someone who obviously has no understanding of anatomy/physiology. The lungs do NOT expand the rib cage! Breathing is muscular...the diaphragm (a muscle) contracts downward toward the abdomen and the chest wall muscles contract to expand the volume in the chest cavity. This creates negative pressure in the chest cavity...air flows in, then exhales when the afore mentioned muscles relax. The lungs themselves are passive to this process. Their function is to provide a blood/air gas exchange mechanism (both O2 and CO2 normally) only.

Don't believe me, try breathing without expanding your chest even a bit.

Ventilators and positive pressure breathing devises work the opposite by artificially expanding the lungs and chest cavity by forcing air in like blowing up a balloon; exhalation occurs when the positive pressure is released. That explains how breathing can be artificially maintained for those whose breathing muscles are paralyzed...Christopher Reeves.

Don't know if the police did or not, but if their restraint kept his chest from expanding, then he suffocated.

blah blah

He should not of resisted!

[reddog1951]

Dixie whistling again. Normal people agree that in a democracy, the police are not the judge jury and executioner. Not saying that is what happened here, but am saying that your inference (and more explicit statement by another poster here) are indefensible in US.... maybe in North Korea

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Can we start rioting yet?

This is all for show. Let the burning begin.

That won't bring George Floyd back from the other side and it won't stop stupid people from doing what George Floyd did and furthermore Cops will continue to restrain agitated, disorientated or violent suspects. Like you said it's all a show. This trial shouldn't even be taking place.