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oeb11 · 08-13-2020, 02:29 PM

You are welcome. SR

L-17 -Yeah, in other words "Hey we don't know, we aren't making you do this".

you are not applying - but welcome to do so as well.

Concisely - but crudely put - you are correct.

Being aware of what One does not Know - is critical to a good physician.

Levianon17 · 08-13-2020, 10:04 PM

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You are welcome. SR

L-17 -Yeah, in other words "Hey we don't know, we aren't making you do this".

you are not applying - but welcome to do so as well.

Concisely - but crudely put - you are correct.

Being aware of what One does not Know - is critical to a good physician.

How safe are Vaccines in recent years? This panel of Doctors seems to have questions about that. If they do so should the rest of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvzYxC05LJA

SpeedRacerXXX · 08-14-2020, 07:13 AM

I am not in the least bit worried.

First appointment moved to next Thursday. Delivery of the vaccine delayed.

adav8s28 · 08-14-2020, 07:17 AM

Good luck SpeedRacer.

Levianon17 · 08-14-2020, 09:13 AM

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I am not in the least bit worried.

First appointment moved to next Thursday. Delivery of the vaccine delayed.

That's a big Red Flag right there. No one in America was aware of a Pandemic until March, it is now August five months in and they want to experiment with a Vaccine. That's a bit desperate in my opinion.

rexdutchman · 08-14-2020, 09:20 AM

Also do you know they Grow vaccines in lung tissue s of bats, monkeys ( in wuehan labs)

Why_Yes_I_Do · 08-14-2020, 09:47 AM

Totally delusional. At least with LSD you have a 50/50 chance of a nice trip and you do return to normal, usually pretty quickly.

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That is the exact reason we signed up. The sooner there is an effective vaccine out there the sooner we will get closer to a "normal" lifestyle.

oeb11 · 08-14-2020, 09:50 AM

The anti vaxxers are ramping up the delusions/misinformation.

Levianon17 · 08-14-2020, 11:41 AM

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The anti vaxxers are ramping up the delusions/misinformation.

There's no delusion. Vaccines aren't necessarily safe and effective. why should a healthy adult take a vaccine to by pass his/her natural immune system to remotely prevent a virus that he may not even get? Furthermore can anyone guarantee there won't be other permanent or problematic Health consequences further down the road possibly related to the vaccine itself?

rexdutchman · 08-14-2020, 11:46 AM

I'm hurt Oeb 11 ,I'm not anti vaccine just some facts , and the right to chose ,Unlike the DPST group that want the gurberment to do it all for us little peoples ^^
L17 is correct , the health consequences are unknown masks / rushed vaccines ( from china )
For me no shots just saying

Jacuzzme · 08-14-2020, 12:06 PM

If vaccines are perfectly safe, why does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program exist?

oeb11 · 08-14-2020, 01:59 PM

As I have explained previously - to an audience ini denial - the risks of morbidity and mortality for FDA approved vaccines is far, far, less than the diseases they prevent.

Polio, for example - you are welcome to move to afghanistan whre polio vaccine is considered anti-islam by the local village islamic governments. And polio is rampant.

the national vaccine program exists to compensate the rare individual who suffers a significant neurologic injruy from a vaccine - very rare - but it occurs. Still far less than the morvbidty and mortality of the diseases.

Because people don't see the vaccine prevented infectious diseases - they don't comprehend the risks.

And - it is not a perfect world.

No One - on teh Conservative side - is proposing that if and when a Wuhan virus arrives - that it will be forced on the entire population. But - wait until Biden and haris get control - then it is different. The DPST's thrive on authority an control - and forcing the population to Obey.

Any vaccine which is approved by the FDA will have to meet current safety and effecacy standards. Those results will be available before a vaccine release. You are welcome to read them, when and if published.

Remember - thalidomide was not rleased in the US - the scandal over its' teratogenicity resulted from patients in europe. read some history

am i going to convince the Anti-Vaxxers here - No - I just put the scientific truth in front of you - written for comprehension- and leave it at that.

You have the privilege of believing what you wish - as do I - until you elect the marxists.

nothing personal RD!

In closing - I hope SR has all the questions to ask about his study participation. I am available if there are further questions .

Why_Yes_I_Do · 08-14-2020, 02:16 PM

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...the risks of morbidity and mortality for FDA approved vaccines is far, far, less than the diseases they prevent....

Would you say there are more than ZERO or less than one vaccines in use today that use DNA editing technology (mRNA) to recode your DNA for comparison?

Levianon17 · 08-14-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by oeb11

As I have explained previously - to an audience ini denial - the risks of morbidity and mortality for FDA approved vaccines is far, far, less than the diseases they prevent.

Polio, for example - you are welcome to move to afghanistan whre polio vaccine is considered anti-islam by the local village islamic governments. And polio is rampant.

the national vaccine program exists to compensate the rare individual who suffers a significant neurologic injruy from a vaccine - very rare - but it occurs. Still far less than the morvbidty and mortality of the diseases.

Because people don't see the vaccine prevented infectious diseases - they don't comprehend the risks.

And - it is not a perfect world.

No One - on teh Conservative side - is proposing that if and when a Wuhan virus arrives - that it will be forced on the entire population. But - wait until Biden and haris get control - then it is different. The DPST's thrive on authority an control - and forcing the population to Obey.

Any vaccine which is approved by the FDA will have to meet current safety and effecacy standards. Those results will be available before a vaccine release. You are welcome to read them, when and if published.

Remember - thalidomide was not rleased in the US - the scandal over its' teratogenicity resulted from patients in europe. read some history

am i going to convince the Anti-Vaxxers here - No - I just put the scientific truth in front of you - written for comprehension- and leave it at that.

You have the privilege of believing what you wish - as do I - until you elect the marxists.

nothing personal RD!

In closing - I hope SR has all the questions to ask about his study participation. I am available if there are further questions .

That's hard to say really. Lot of people put their trust in vaccines a lot of people don't. I suppose there's risks on both ends. Besides whats the ultimate risk for a person who is generally healthy and doesn't take a vaccine, a case of the Flu? It's really a 50-50 chance whether you take a flu shot or not.

oeb11 · 08-15-2020, 09:45 AM

Influenza vaccines must be tailored a year ahead due to mutability of the Influenza viruses.

They have variable efficacy in preventing disease, but do add some protection in that those who have had a vaccine and become infected by Influenza virus do tend to have a milder course of disease
50/50 - does not refer to the risk of mortality from vaccines. .

and - it is easy to write, thank you.

No - I do not favor forced vaccination. Not for Wuhan or influenza. Because the mortality rate is low.

The infectious diseases prevented by the usual childhood vaccination - have much higher morbidity and mortality. and the safety and efficacy is long proven with long experience.

nothing is perfect - i agree - far better than no vaccinations available.