CCP VS. USA

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Yeah, if there's anything almost everyone here can agree on, it's that I'm a raving lunatic free trader. Even I see the wisdom in manufacturing masks, drugs and the like in the USA.

So finally we had a president who "gets it." He has the power under existing laws to protect protect national security by imposing tariffs. He uses that power. And what's the result? Some of the manufacture of cheap plastic toys, clothing and the like has moved from China to Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc.

Trump isn't primarily to blame for our shortage of masks, tests, drugs and the like. Europe is struggling with the same problems. But he didn't help. Perhaps someone like a George H. W. Bush would have had the foresight, and through his experience as director of the CIA and Vice President, the trust in our intelligence agencies and medical experts that would have resulted in a different outcome, like what's happening in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore right now. Who knows.

In any event we had an economy running at full steam, in part because of Trump's corporate tax cuts and deregulation, and full employment. We didn't have the people to manufacture toys and clothes in the USA. We did have the resources, if guided by government, to manufacture goods that are essential in the time of a national emergency. That didn't happen, at least as far as pandemics are concerned.

We can get there in time.

It is difficult to unwind these supply chains.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Sounding like a Biden apologist, Tiny.

Trump closed the China border 10 days after the first case in the US.

What has Biden got to do with it Oeb? Nothing. What you mean to say is I sound like an Obama admirer, because I wrote this:

Originally Posted by Tiny

Obama and George H W Bush would likely have acted earlier on in accordance with advice from medical experts and intelligence services. Both probably would be handling this crisis better than Trump.

I hated Obama. I instinctively shot him the rod every time I saw him on television. I had to watch myself when I was in airports, bars and other public places with TV's, to avoid pissing off Democrats and scaring people.

Obama was arrogant and somewhat narcissistic. However he wasn't quite in the same league with Trump. Obama would read and absorb a 30 page report. When something was truly important and there was a strong consensus, he'd rely on the experts and analysis instead of his instincts and ideology. That's why he didn't jack up taxes in 2009. With Trump on the other hand you never know.

Originally Posted by oeb11

What basis do you have for allegation that the CDC and FDA would "bungle"???
Given the enormity of the decision to shut down the economy - some deliberation time was necessary.

particularly in a country dedicated (so far) to individual freedom.

IF THEY DIDN'T BUNGLE IT WE NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD TO SHUT DOWN HALF THE ECONOMY. We would have reacted like South Korea, Japan and Singapore instead of like Italy and Spain. Through incompetence and bureaucratic slow walking, the CDC and FDA delayed testing:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ting-in-the-us

And where are the test kits now? There's been no effort at the national level to do any tracing to determine who was exposed to the coronavirus and isolate them. In other words, while maybe we couldn't have nipped this in the bud, we could have managed it by identifying (testing) and isolating people and letting everyone else work.

But it's too late for that now in places like NYC. Speaking of which, where are the stocks of masks and other PPE?

If you want to argue it's all Trump's fault, and the CDC and FDA bear no responsibility, you might be able to make a case, although I'd disagree with you.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

We can get there in time.

It is difficult to unwind these supply chains.

If you're talking about supply chains to manufacture drugs, masks, ventilators and the like, you're spot on. If you're talking too about cheap toys, garments, cheap electronics, even auto parts, I strongly disagree.

[Tsmokies]

Wtf iz a ccp? You trump huggers continue to amuse me and yourselfs.is that another word for bone spurs×5?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

Wtf iz a ccp? You trump huggers continue to amuse me and yourselfs.is that another word for bone spurs×5?

no.not bone spurs. you really need to detox yourself of tds.



ccp = chinese communist party

[Tsmokies]

Ok n thanks bone spur supporter. I gotta go now. You twit heads keep sukn your orange dick. I will make fun of you later ignorant dipshits

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

Ok n thanks bone spur supporter. I gotta go now. You twit heads keep sukn your orange dick. I will make fun of you later ignorant dipshits

Guess he can't take getting beat down so much and has to go away and sulk for a while.

[Tsmokies]

I can't post back until easter when the US is free of the virus or when faux news tells the pos it's ok and the hoax is over

[dilbert firestorm]

i thought this following post is relevant to this thread

[dilbert firestorm]

Corona virus rant by Jack speed on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jack.speed....06815975676106

[edited for readability]



Jack Speed

19 hrs ·


Come on an read the freaking thing.

Ok, everyone wants to talk Corona virus...

let's talk about it. Let's talk about how China was fighting against the Hong Kong protesters that were waving American flags and praising Trump.... gone.

Let's discuss how Trump has been tough on China and trade and theft of intelectual property.

Now China threatens to withhold the ingredients for medicines.

Let's talk about how the democrats and main stream media have blamed Trump for everything since he was elected and have come out and said they hoped the stock market would crash to make him look bad.

Let's talk about how we had a Harvard professor of bio chem working secretly for the Chinese and getting paid really well, while lying about his connections.

We all have seen what these leftist college professors have indoctrinated our young people and how nasty they've been towards anyone that supports Trump.

We've all seen how far the left and dems are willing to go to regain power and how the media has been used to promote their fake stories.

Now we see them blame Trump for a Chinese virus and use the dem media to scare people and destabilize our markets.

Let's talk about the Chinese girl that they're looking for, that they think is now back in China , that had access to our defense department and military.

How about the Chinese guy they busted at the airport with vials of bio materials hidden in his sock!

How about the Chinese driver that was discovered working for Fienstein?

Let's talk about how there's not more talk about protests in Venezuela. How about the fact that there's a bio lab in Wuhan, near that market they blamed and the professor had ties to that lab.

Now China is trying to blame the virus on our military... makes no sense...since when do we have troops in China?

How about Nancy Pelosi trying to sneak in abortion funding into the funding bill for the virus.

Let's talk about all the scandals that aren't being talked about now.... like Hunter and Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine or how Nancy and Schiff abused power in congress to continue this never ending witch hunt against our President.

So all you sheep,..go ahead and beat each other over toilet paper.

You're now getting a taste of socialism at it's finest.

Lack of supplies, waiting in line, media scaring everyone while screwing the economy and only telling you what they think you should know.

Let's look at Italy where they're not going to treat the elderly because it's too much and they want to treat the young people..

there's your socialized death squad medicine for you.

Go ahead and panic like dems want.

The rest of us that are still sane and are the last bastions of common sense aren't going to panic, We're not falling for the BS and yes, we will still vote Trump!

[oeb11]

DF- Thank you - +1