CoMo charges, be careful and get tested

[Guest090920]

Originally Posted by malwoody

It's the Dilbert principle run Amuck for sure.....LOL

Said principle is instinctive in those from Topeka, obviously.

[CryptKicker]

Originally Posted by malwoody

Yeah...the "without any backchannel discussion" part of your post. How is it that you know there was not any discussion? Whispers is a mod as well...or didn't you read that either?

Whispers is not a board moderator.

[lacrew_2000]

I can't emphasize enough how uninterested I am in the fine details of Whispers position....so no, I haven't read all his posts.

I really don't care about the 1st amendment ramifications of all the links he has found.

I do care that he has come over here and threatened to repost something tbat the local mod took down.

I hope that makes sense.

Ps...Whisper, why don't you come on back and explain why what you've done isn't screwed up.


Its not

[malwoody]

Originally Posted by CryptKicker

Whispers is not a board moderator.

Well that is curious because he uses the word mod above his name. I did something similar once and was told in a PM and in very direct terms by an Alpha dog to remove it. When I replied that it had been up there for a month or so and to date nobody had approached me thinking I was a mod, the Big Dog said something to the effect that if I didn't want to remove it they would do it for me..

So you see CK, I thought he for sure had to be a mod....
Different rules for different folks I guess..

[lacrew_2000]

Yet another thing that really isn't that complicated....no Whispers isn't a mod.

I guess I'm too much of simpleton to make that mistake...and instead look at his posting history.

In fact, I'm starting to wonder if you read any of his posts at all

No not his posts on this thread....his other board posts. Gentlemen, your new leader should be named helilultz.

Carry on and keep the facepalms coming.

[Guest090920]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

keep the facepalms coming.

Happy to oblige so you feel comfortable. Must be a Topeka thing.

[Johnny4455]

From my point of view we in kc are lucky to have JCM800 volunteering his valuable time. I say that because he has one of the most important characteristics a mod should have... he doesn't care about leveraging his mod status for his own personal agenda.

I'm not going to bother researching the issues discussed in this thread. Mule and Whispers are the type that look at every post from a gotcha point of view. Look at the mules posts. Almost half are pointing out his interpretation of a guideline. That's why some folks hang out on this board. Not me. The mule and whispers approach their issues like they are filing briefs in a free speech case before the supreme court of hookers board. Truth is its not some noble cause they are promoting. They are not fighting for a really good reason. They are just doing what they enjoy doing... trying to show they know the guidelines. What a fucking strange use of this board - sort of like pretending to be a mod.

Here is one for the mod wannabees to discuss.. do the guidelines say anything about any member using "mod" in his signature or name? Can someone hold themselves out to be a mod when they are not? If that is not in the guidelines, does an admin have the basis to remove "mod" from a pretend mods name?

I'm interested in your research on that mule. I would like your reply to include multiple citations, and give me some of that blue font.

[Guest090920]

Originally Posted by Johnny4455

From my point of view we in kc are lucky to have JCM800 volunteering his valuable time. I say that because he has one of the most important characteristics a mod should have... he doesn't care about leveraging his mod status for his own personal agenda.

Agreed.

This thread has been a lively, interesting debate about a serious topic and the various points made by numerous members have been thought provoking and may cause the general membership to be more active. Debating issues in the open is one of the things I have always liked about this site and the previous ones most of us have joined in the past.

Debate on! Play Safe!

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

I missed the original link...but searched out the story and quickly found a mug shot...I didnt recognize her, but if I did, presto - the real world/eccie connection is made. Even if the link didnt have a mug shot, internet stories are often updated, and it may eventually include the mug shot.

So why not just say "hey there's a provider with hiv in columbia, go check it out"?

Why do we absolutely have to have the link?

None of those questions really matter..... What matters is whether or not she is a Member here on ECCIE that someone was attempting to tie to real world information...If not there was no violation of the Guidelines.

And frankly its more than just her privacy....maybe its bad for a link to be made between the board and attempted murder...you think? As in the board may get included in the investigation if it turns out she utilized the board in the commission of the crime.

Can we just let it go....and let people look it up themselves...sans sit ins and protest marches.

Naw...

And Whispers....in any aspect of life, be it the business world, the military, you name it.....coming over here to challenge the local mod without any backchannel discussion is considered "bad form".. I really can't believe how you've acted.

It's part of a new class called MOD101 I'm market testing. I was well received by the members in San Antonio who learned quite a bit and a few tend to school their Mods from time to time now. AFter a few more markets we hope to roll it out nationally for a $1.95

[lacrew_2000]

Gentlemen,

Whispers has returned. The rebel without a clue who wants to 'school' the mod...not where he lives and hobbies....but everywhere else in the nation....because for reasons I can't comprehend, its not only his business - he his duty bound to fix every board he stumbles upon.

Your anti-mod saviour is here. Rally around him. He's the 'every man's mod'....except he isn't...but ignore that. And Whisper please, please keep at it.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by ou812ne

I sent the link to Whispers. Let's see if he posts it.

I found this story as well as others and I emailed a couple that have stated it was the link in question that was removed from the poat.

Originally Posted by Mizzou82

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MO_PROSTITUTION_CHARGE_HIV_MOO L-?SITE=MOCOD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPL ATE=DEFAULT

The text of the story is as follows for those that do not wish to follow it. Both the link and the story are posted as I do not believe this to be in related to an ECCIE Provider and other members are deserving of the information it provides.

Originally Posted by Columbia Tribune

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP)

Originally Posted by Columbia Tribune

A 20-year-old Missouri woman is accused of being an HIV-infected prostitute who knowingly exposed her clients to the virus.


The Columbia Daily Tribune (hyperlink removed) reports was arrested at a Columbia hotel room on June 19 after agreeing to have sex with an undercover officer in exchange for cash. The officer had responded to an online ad as part of a joint effort between Columbia police and the FBI to crack down on prostitution.

initially was charged with misdemeanor prostitution before prosecutors amended the charges this week to knowingly being infected with HIV while performing the act of prostitution.


A Florissant man listed in online court records as Clark’s public defender says he’s not an attorney and isn’t connected to Clark’s case.

Information from: Columbia Daily Tribune

When i first read the story and the issue here I wanted to see if there was any real violation of the Guidelines. So I researched the story and it was not hard to find others that depict the lady. It's a story that will most likely go national during her trial and we will see her splashed all over the place. Unfortunately she's fucking uglier then shit and the world will get exposed to it and other ugly women will think they can make money too and we could see an influx of fuglies.

With pictures as well as the dates of the arrest and location I felt it was a pretty easy thing to figure out so I checked the Ad sections for 3 weeks of the city she was arrested in no one remotely resembling her has advertised on ECCIE that bore a resemblance. There is no one that resembles her with a showcase in the areas either.... I searched all of the cities that the MOD would have been familair with (IMO)

I did find an ad on BackPage that appeared to be her and I both emailed as well as texted the number. I stated I was a client interested in booking and asked if she had any reviews on any sites or a friend available with reviews that she might recommend. I received no response, I did not expect one unless maybe she had a pimp that posted all that and thought maybe he would have another fugly he needed to torn out and might respond.

I also searched the number in review sections of this and another board and found nothing related.

Interestingly, the Ad was gone the next day

it was about 30 minutes of research.... certainly not a thorough job....

With all that in mind I can find absolutely no reason for the link to be removed that is supported by the guidelines. Had the OP TIED the story to a specific provider THAT would have been a violation. Not knowing what was removed only MODs, Admins and Owners have access to the copy of the post that the MOD editing would have needed to make in order to properly document his actions for the owner.

From what I understand nothing is ever truly removed... Just whisked away to private ares reserved for the amusement of MODville.

In the absence of some post made by the OP trying to tie this story to a specific member of ECCIE, there should have been no removal of the link IMO based on ECCIE Guidelines.


It is also my opinion that there was no such attempt by the OP to connect the story to a member so I doubt that exists for the MOD to use as justification. If it did the OP should probably have received some level of sanction. Most likely a ban for some period.

As I have stated more than once....

I think you simply have a new MOD that does not totally understand the guidelines that made a mistake.

Unfortunately he has not manned up and owned the mistake and fixed the errors.

You folks have to live with him. I'm just passing through and will only be in the area for a couple of weeks towards the end of the month.

Don't be afraid to ask questions.

When you put them on a pedestal and revere their words... some... tend to let it go to their heads and think they are GODMODs and rule their little areas with a personal agenda deciding what you can and cannot discuss...

They also see an increase in the perks of being a MOD and your old and fat chicks as well as the Uglies will start giving them free pussy and BJs to look after them...


They were members once.... Save them from themselves if nothing else!

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by CryptKicker

Whispers is not a board moderator.

In most well run areas.... Members tend to moderate themselves like adults..... and MODs are needed for verifying reviews, moving stuff around and enforcing nuclear issues....

It's kind of boring around here..... I guess without enough to test them they can't learn.... and they need to flex their muscles in other ways....

I'm more of an "ANTI-Mod"... It's annoying when the clueless are in charge... Dangerous as well.... I've seen a few MODs over the years go off the reservation and need to get brought down....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

I can't emphasize enough how uninterested I am in the fine details of Whispers position....so no, I haven't read all his posts.

I really don't care about the 1st amendment ramifications of all the links he has found.

I do care that he has come over here and threatened to repost something tbat the local mod took down.

It was not a threat. It was a statement based on a belief that a MOD made a mistake and that the information posted had value to members of the board. The link and story have been reposted because I believe the guidelines allow for it..

I hope that makes sense.

Ps...Whisper, why don't you come on back and explain why what you've done isn't screwed up.

Its not

I believe that ECCIE and other boards like it exist for the free exchange of information that matters to us. As a member of the board I feel I have a right to that information and that others do NOT have a right to decide what should and should not be posted and what threads should or should not be locked to repress conversations outside of what the Guidelines call for.

I've been around for 15 years. I have a bit of a reputation for posting things that are controversial, making people think as well as for questioning MODs, admins and even owners at times for clarification whereas the majority of members simply accept what a MOD does as absolute.

Sometimes people send me links to issues they think are wrong and ask me to comment. Othertimes I stumble across them. my Daughter and Grandkids live in Wichita and I'm heading there as well as to St Louis for a few days and was looking in the area anyway and came across this.

I also saw other edits made and information removed as well as threads locked without comment. All actions that are frowned upon by the owners as well as members in other areas that know better.

I commented.

Fucked up that I ask questions relevant to the membership of the board?

I guess some tend to think so.

Fucked because I ask them in public rather than behind the scenes?

Not at all. This has sparked debate, brought forth differing opinions and people learn from it.

One thing learned here is that you have a MOD that refuses to comment on or justify his actions when questioned and chooses to ignore it. Unfortunately he is new.... I've seen that attitude grow in others when unchecked..... The members here will need to decide how much of it they will tolerate.... It leads to locked and edited reviews or unfavorable reviews vanishing as well as other things.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by malwoody

Well that is curious because he uses the word mod above his name. I did something similar once and was told in a PM and in very direct terms by an Alpha dog to remove it. When I replied that it had been up there for a month or so and to date nobody had approached me thinking I was a mod, the Big Dog said something to the effect that if I didn't want to remove it they would do it for me..

So you see CK, I thought he for sure had to be a mod....
Different rules for different folks I guess..

No.. Guidelines are Guidelines.....

Lots of Folks used to do that but MODs are very protective of their title....

It isn't talked about a lot but on your subscription page you will see that the board allows for members that have a specific desire or group they would like to host outside of the public eyes to buy their own forums. It's called a CLUBHouse and for the most part you never know about them unless you are invited to join....

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I host a number of Meet and Greets in the Austin area at local Strip Clubs for guys into the Strip Club Scene and ladies interested as well... I also do a meet and greet for Sugar Daddy's to meet and share information and I run a Christmas Fundraiser for the last 4 years.

There was a lot of pressure to move these things off the board and to not allow public discussion of them so I paid for a forum.

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When you own the forum you pick your MODs and make your own Guidelines. If you ever get invited to join one be prepared for a different level of communication than what you see in public forums. They exist for all sorts of reasons behind the scenes.... One rule most of the forum owners have is .... you don't talk about the forum.... They are invite only....

I put TRYST together for a different purpose. Anyone that asks can join and I am one of those that Moderate it however due to it's purpose.... It really requires no intervention.

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We accept just about anyone that wants to join. and it's really about hosting get togetherness and social events.

The only way it differed is that I also host a Short Term Availability Thread. It was tried more than once in Austin Forums but the ladies refused to follow the rules and the MODs tired of having to deal with it all the time and put it to an end.

It is not an overly popular subject that Admins or Owners like to deal with because there is already and Advertising Section as well as Signature Lines and Weekend Ads and threADS allowed and there exists no universal right for there to be one so Austin no longer had one. Someone asked if I would lend some support and I did.

Out of site Out of mind tends to be the deal on that subject... It does not seem to get a lot of use. The idea was for those that believed in it to self police it and prove it could work without a lot of effort and then get the MODS to allow for it in the regular Forums.


Anyway....

Technically..... As a byproduct of owning a forum on ECCIE.. I AM a Mod

That aside....

ALL members have a responsibility for knowing the guidelines and all members should be involved in policing themselves and the areas they enjoy. MODs should CERTAINLY know those guidelines....

Back to the subject matter....

Let me use this to make a point relating to this subject..... When I speak on issues relating to the Guidelines why should it matter if I am a MOD or a member? That is the point I am making.

There are ONE set of Guidelines for the board. Local MODs do not get to change their meaning or add their own rules....

and they SHOULD know and understand them before they enforce them or remove information from the board.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

Gentlemen,

Whispers has returned. The rebel without a clue who wants to 'school' the mod...not where he lives and hobbies....but everywhere else in the nation....because for reasons I can't comprehend, its not only his business - he his duty bound to fix every board he stumbles upon.

Your anti-mod saviour is here. Rally around him. He's the 'every man's mod'....except he isn't...but ignore that. And Whisper please, please keep at it.

Don't worry.... I've been at it for most of the 15 years I've been members of this and other boards like it.... I get busy from time to time and drift off but pop back in eventually.

Why do I tend to get immersed in things like this on occasion? I enjoy the debate and they become entertaining at times.

There really are only a few subjects that I get involved in..

1) Information being removed from the board
2) Locked Threads
Both of those reek of censorship and control
3) Screening
I really am against providing a Provider or any 3rd party company with any personal information. I was outed once and know the damage it can do in the wrong hands
4) Discussions regarding gifts and tips....
These whores make more than my Dr or Dentist as well as some Attorneys I know and I don't tip them either.... And on my Birthday and Christmas I tend to be the one getting something in a show of appreciation from the ladies I spend my money on.
5) Some whore trying to tell me how to spend my money or who I should see...
6)Tributes to whores started by their PWWKS

Outside of those things I tend to make a comment or two and move on.