Time to speak my mind.

[SinsOfTheFlesh]

Originally Posted by Cleo

The issue of a provider "low balling" another, does sound a little bit to some degree, like sour grapes? In the business world, which this is, people do "price match" and offer "sales" to attract customers from their competitors? In the world of independent contracting, some will even take a job wherein they don't turn a profit on it just to show how good they are at what they do as a way to earn a customer's business going forward. This is all part of free enterprise, isn't it?

In this business, no it isn't. Its not acceptable at all. Sure, Walmart, Target, and other retailers 'price match'. Bring in an ad from a competitor, and they will beat whatever price is shown. But Walmart isn't reliant upon Target for their safety and security. We are. We use references to screen out LE and bad actors. The reference system is basically an honor system. Sure, I can always reply with "John Doe? Never heard of him", then contact him myself. Women talk though. Eventually if I do that often enough, it will become known among other providers. Then when I need a reference, all I will get is the sound of crickets, and have only my gut to rely on to decide to see someone or not.

We may be in competition for business, but we are also a resource of information for one another, and must rely on one another as well. There is no excuse for a provider who will step on the back of another provider in order to get a larger piece of the pie. There is enough to go around so that such behavior isn't necessary.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

... Then when I need a reference, all I will get is the sound of crickets, and have only my gut to rely on to decide to see someone or not.

Dear, you're too good at what you do, I'm sure crickets are the least of your worries! ;-)

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

We may be in competition for business, but we are also a resource of information for one another, and must rely on one another as well.

Stacy brings out the key issue.
This is how professionals work. In this world, and the civie world, regardless of the business.

[DallasRain]

quote--We may be in competition for business, but we are also a resource of information for one another, and must rely on one another as well.

lets all just keep eaxh other safe and have fun!

[hockeyguy]

Figured I'd throw my 2 cents in since I see some valid accusations and some defending going on.

I've seen Destiny before and she was a very sexy and nice provider, but my opinion is not going to just favor her because of that. That being said, I've never seen Kaylen as she is not my type.

This hobby is supposed to give us gents the opportunity to try new and different ladies whenever we want. I've only seen 1 provider more than once. There are some I'd love to see again, but I enjoy trying someone new each time. If one of those providers were to threaten me as described, she would immediately be blocked on my phone and here. I don't need someone trying to take my freedom of choice away. So in this sense, I agree with those saying the responsibility comes down to the guys allowing her to manipulate them this way. Now maybe she and a hobbyist specifically talked about '1 visit per month' as a kinda verbal agreement and she is expecting that income. I don't blame her for inquiring on the agreement if it took away from her expectation. But that doesn't mean she should act like a high schooler. Also refusing to help the reference system is lame as well. Not only is it a source for you ladies as a layer of security, it is also a source for us guys, especially the newer guys trying to get their foot in the door, to be able to see more ladies. Kaylen should advertise that she doesn't provide references so there is no confusion.

But like I said, and this even goes towards her undercutting prices (which I think is fine but shitty at the same time), it all boils down to the men and not allowing themselves to be manipulated like that. They've allowed it and she knows she can run her business like that.

Now that this thread is out there and she has lost a lot of future business from potential hobbyist, lets see if her actions change. But any guy who was caught in her web.... GET OUT OF IT.

[Guest013121]

Price matching is one thing-- but picture this hypothetical scenario being played out--

I get in touch with said provider for a reference, said provider then turns around and gets in touch with that client and offers her said ass for lower if he'll see her instead--

See, this ^^ is nowhere near the same thing as price matching. This is downright dirty c*#• shit.

[skbinks]

Originally Posted by Cleo

The issue of a provider "low balling" another, does sound a little bit to some degree, like sour grapes? In the business world, which this is, people do "price match" and offer "sales" to attract customers from their competitors? In the world of independent contracting, some will even take a job wherein they don't turn a profit on it just to show how good they are at what they do as a way to earn a customer's business going forward. This is all part of free enterprise, isn't it?

To start off, I have my own story, but I don't dislike her and there were things that she did that were very sweet so am not going to say here.

She never actually did "this" (low balling) to me, that I know of and because of that, I can't say first hand if she did it to others, but I don't exactly have a bunch of providers calling each other trying to get a reference on me either so if she would have, she didn't have that chance with me.

A provider, any provider, "low balling" another in the way that was described by Destiny should not be done period, it is unethical (can something be unethical in the hobby world). When one provider calls another for a reference, she should get an honest reference, not a provider that will try to take your business away. Offering a sale/special is a totally different and acceptable business practice. If all providers did as described, then nobody would want to call anybody for references any more because they might loose a sale/client and then we start having more problems.

As a hobbyist, I would assume that the provider doing the low balling might also try to say shit about the other provider that isn't true just to keep me from seeing the other. If that would have happened and I never saw any of the other providers that I have, I would have missed out on some great times that I will remember forever, I hope. For me, If the provider I want to see has a lot of good reviews, I would simple say, "I make up my own mind, and if you are correct, then I just wouldn't see them any more but it wouldn't be your fault."

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Gemma34

Price matching is one thing-- but picture this hypothetical scenario being played out--

I get in touch with said provider for a reference, said provider then turns around and gets in touch with that client and offers her said ass for lower if he'll see her instead--

See, this ^^ is nowhere near the same thing as price matching. This is downright dirty c*#• shit.

I understand & agree with your perspective as it relates to your hypothetical situation Gemma. That being said, in the "real" world, this happens routinely with independent contractors. What baffles me is, we seem to expect that it not happen. Plumbers, electricians, construction companies, all routinely underbid one another. What we must do in this idiot's opinion, is not corrupt the reference system with our competitive business practices. Be truthful & honorable in our references to help ensure a safe hobby for all & let all the "marketing" crap take care of itself. If a provider proves herself unscrupulous or ineffective in marketing herself, her bottom line will reflect it. But at all times & at all costs, stay true to the reference system.

[skbinks]

Like I mentioned before, I don't dislike her because she can be sweet too and as far as I know the "low balling" never happened with me that I know of.

I do want to confirm that things did happen and although maybe not everything that Destiny said specifically happened to me, she is NOT lying. At first I thought the Jealousy was cute, but I can't understand that from any woman that sleeps with other men while seeing me, provider or not. There are some providers she might have an issue with and not want me to see. Whether it was out of concern or for some other reason, I did hear about it and it did bother me, but I make up my own mind about someone and told her and other people that. There are other things that were specific with me, but if I have an argument with someone, some things are still private between us. I'd like to think I am not a vindictive person. Hell if I was, there would be things all over the internet about my family and passed GF's

Your parents, gf, or wife ever tell you you can't or shouldn't see someone? Did you always pay attention to them? You made up your own mind. Now granted, those were people that were real close to you, not a provider that shouldn't care how many others you are sleeping with because she is sleeping with a lot more than you.

Even if you are real close friends with a provider in RL, they shouldn't get mad at you if you are seeing someone else, because you know they are. I just need to keep my mouth shut when I am actually with a provider saying, I shouldn't be talking about another provider....kind of like when you are with a GF, you shouldn't say, "my last GF was great at BBBJ's, you think you can be too?"

[BigDeal]

Cleo and Binks when I fist got into the hobby I made the the mistake of trying to compare the outside world of doing business to a providers world of doing business....it aint the same.

And it more than likely never will be.....its a losing battle to try to compare the two....IMO

1) There aint no refunds
2) there is very little if any quality control
3) arguing with a hooker is a losing battle...Savannah kicked my ass and now Im her bitch!


Just to name a few

[Savannah Moon]

Originally Posted by BigDeal

Cleo and Binks when I fist got into the hobby I made the the mistake of trying to compare the outside world of doing business to a providers world of doing business....it aint the same.

And it more than likely never will be.....its a losing battle to try to compare the two....IMO

1) There aint no refunds
2) there is very little if any quality control
3) arguing with a hooker is a losing battle...Savannah kicked my ass and now Im her bitch!


Just to name a few

HEY..don't complain. ..I am GOOD to my bitches

[skbinks]

Originally Posted by BigDeal

Savannah kicked my ass and now Im her bitch!

Originally Posted by Savannah Moon

HEY..don't complain. ..I am GOOD to my bitches

LOL, I don't think he's complaining. Sounds like he wouldn't want it any other way.

[Guest013121]

Haha I know that's right

Originally Posted by Savannah Moon

HEY..don't complain. ..I am GOOD to my bitches

[zeejoe]

Originally Posted by SexyKaylen

+100 I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I know a girl like that. I called 2 providers this week and got hung up on.. lol I find it funny

Whatever else you might think about all this and the people involved,
it takes a special kind of bitch to post that reply in a thread that you know goddamm well was about you in the first place.

[Savannah Moon]

Originally Posted by zeejoe

Whatever else you might think about all this and the people involved,
it takes a special kind of bitch to post that reply in a thread that you know goddamm well was about you in the first place.

I'm more than positive you know ALL KINDS OF BITCHES...BTW..ARE YOU IN KS RIGHT NOW