No Wonder Iran Hates Us

[CuteOldGuy]

Short, interesting video summarizing the history of the United States' relationship with Iran.

http://truththeory.com/2012/02/19/th...-30-years-ago/

[Guest123018-4]

Of course we are infidels and support their enemy the Jews.

[Guest050715-1]

I recommend All the Shah's Men by Stephen Kinzer. It's a bit of an eye opener. Basically the dirty dealing was by the Anglo Persian Oil Company which is now - surprise - BP and the British government. We stupidly propped up the last coup and let the Shah in the country for treatment. Carter was so stupid.

Personally, I think they hate us because we are such a big target. and fun to hate. I don't know, maybe it makes the Iranians feel like bigger dogs to have the Big Dog as their enemy. I wonder if they are enjoying their embargo. It seems to be effective.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I recommend All the Shah's Men by Stephen Kinzer. It's a bit of an eye opener. Basically the dirty dealing was by the Anglo Persian Oil Company which is now - surprise - BP and the British government. We stupidly propped up the last coup and let the Shah in the country for treatment. Carter was so stupid.

I have recommended Kinzer's book often (was this where you learned about it?). I also recommend Dr. Donald N. Wilber's book, Regime Change in Iran: Overthrow of Premier Mossadeq November 1952 – August 1953. Nottingham: Spokesman. 2006. Wilber offers a different and yet very relevant POV that Kinzer too readily dismisses, thus Wilber tempers some of Kinzer's more myopic points.

[Guest050715-1]

No, I read it years ago. I can't be trusted in a book store. When I go, I set a limit of books or dollar amount. Otherwise I'd need a dolly to carry all the books.

I'll have to check out the other book.

[CuteOldGuy]

Olivia, try a Kindle. I have tons of books on there, and it fits in my pocket. It's a wonderful invention.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

No, I read it years ago. I can't be trusted in a book store. When I go, I set a limit of books or dollar amount. Otherwise I'd need a dolly to carry all the books.

I'll have to check out the other book.

I ordered mine from Britain, and it's not on Kindle.

[waverunner234]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Olivia, try a Kindle. I have tons of books on there, and it fits in my pocket. It's a wonderful invention.

WHAT? Do you have time to read books?
Then why don't you use that time to post a zillion more threads here?

[CuteOldGuy]

You need the education.

[Guest102513-1]

Very Interesting video....I'll need to check out some of the books mentioned

During our Iraq "invasion"....there was so much press of how dare the Iranians support and teach Iraqis methods in attacking our US troops.

Of course, both my heart and voice, felt sadden and wrong that our Boys were suffering.

But in terms of big picture, I made the exact same arguement that was presented
in this video. How would we feel if Iran had thousands of troops in both Mexico and Canada making regime changes.

Would we have sat on sidelines....I think not.

[CuteOldGuy]

The bombing will continue until you like us.

[Guest102513-1]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The bombing will continue until you like us.

Will we ever learn as a country, about this type of thinking???

I used hope...but my hope has faded

COG...I'm curious to get your thoughts on issues such as.....

Spend 1billion in bombing in Lybia...but so far the "fight for democracy" has not extended to Syria

Obvious answer, Syria has a far more modern military. But what are your thoughts on these individual decisions????

[CuteOldGuy]

vk, I saw a poster that showed exploding bombs in a middle eastern town. The caption was, "Don't worry, that's just democracy raining down."

Libya was a waste of time and money, and so will Syria. These wars are fought to protect oil interests and to enrich the defense industry. They are also fought to unite the population against a common enemy, which means the government will have a greater opportunity to manipulate and control. Look at what has happened since 9-11. We have the Patriot Act, TSA groping, warrantless wiretaps, government surveillance, "See something, say something", SOPA, and finally, the NDAA of 2011 which authorizes the President to indefinitely detain American citizens on American soil without due process or habeas corpus. This effectively eliminates our Constitutional rights, and makes us a police state. No due process means there is no mechanism in place for you to contest your detention, no standards of evidence or right to hearing. So essentially, the President can use the US military against civilians, and there is nothing anyone can do to proclaim innocence.

But as long as the brown guys are our enemy, we let the government get away with taking our liberty in order to ensure our security. As Ben Franklin once said, when a country does that, it will soon "have neither liberty nor security."

[Guest102513-1]

Interesting thoughts...we have had our disagreements in other Sandbox discussions...but we are definitely on the same page here

Thks for sharing!!!

[Whirlaway]

Current events in Iran have very little to do with pror regimes in Iran and everything to do with Iran's hatred for Israel.

Accept Israel as a legitimate neighbor you don't profess to destroy, and the world economies wont give a damn what your internal politics are.