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Old 05-25-2010, 04:01 PM   #1
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Default WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT BE CONCENTRATING ON

With record unemployment, an economy teetering on disaster, 2 wars, an world wide financial problems, is repelling the dont ask dont tell law, really what the President should be spending time on? What say you?
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:06 PM   #2
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If he improves the US economy, that will improve 3 of the 5 topics you mention (jobs, US economy, world-wide economy).

Funding to "finish the fence" would create temporary jobs and reduce future financial drains on the economy from illegal immigrants.
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Kill the illegas! That will solve all the US problems. But then what will Americans have to bitch about? "Honey, the grass is getting high."
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:18 PM   #4
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Clearly the regimes agenda is not in synch with what the American people need and want...he has wasted an incredible opportunity to do good things...too bad, for all of us...
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:24 PM   #5
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He is concentrating on don't ask, don't tell purely because it will energize his base. It happens to be an issue that gays think they were screwed over on, by Bill Clinton (Obama is already pre-emptively running against Hillary). In his mind, his absolute number one job is to get re-elected, and this helps accomplish that goal....he's already lost most of the military vote, so there is little political downside.

Sure, its a completely unnecessary distraction for the military, but that really seem to concern him. (Nothing against gays, but in the military, you have to fit in...literally. Some MOS's have max height limits, all soldiers have height/weight limits. Anything that could be a distraction from the mission is a legitimate reason to discriminate against people...i.e. there were no women in my unit. I don't see how repealling DADT helps the military one bit, which should be all that matters).
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:47 PM   #6
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Kill the illegas! That will solve all the US problems.
Don't put words in my mouth. I proposed that we deal with the problem in a humane way. Just because you can't think of a good argument, don't try to distract everyone off of the real issue with hyperbole.

It's the entitlement programs that are causing the problems. But no one has the political balls to tell the increasing numbers who are getting benefits that the decreasing numbers who are paying taxes are not willing to keep on paying.

The flow of illegals (surprise: criminals generally don't pay taxes) are making the entitlement problem worse every day.
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Actually I dont believe immigration was a subject in this discussion, so Vito hold your anger towards me for a post that is speaking of immigration.

Everyone, we are not discussing immigration in this thread. We are discussing whether or not the President should be concerning himself with Dont ask dont tell.
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"Kill the illegas! That will solve all the US problems. But then what will Americans have to bitch about? "Honey, the grass is getting high."

I dont know about you Vito but I cut my own grass.
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If that's the subject, then IMHO the title of the thread should have been "Why is the President wasting his time on DADT?".

Because he has 1000 things more important than that to do.
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The question was "WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT BE CONCENTRATING ON "

Kill the illegals was my response. Every so often this becomes a hot topic, it fades then returns.
The politicos do what they need to fire up the public and get the vote.
Entitlement, if they are here illegally, they cannot get welfare or food stamps.
They dont pay taxes? Do you pay sales tax when you pay an escort and think she reports
the income. Pot meet kettle.
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He should vigorously promote a constitutional amendment that creates term limits for US House and US Senate members of only 4 years. He should also require every federal official/employee to participate in Social Security and pension plans like those of ordinary Americans.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:15 PM   #12
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Okay let me clarify, yes the title says that but in the text that I wrote I clearly spelled out the question I was asking.


Vito I am not sure who your directing your post to, if you want to discuss immigration or rather pick a fight over it, then please start that thread, I am trying to do as Omahan has asked. But the reality is we have discussed, debated, argued and rehashed the immigration issue about as far as it can go. It has already been determined that ALL WHITE PEOPLE HATE MEXICANS AND WE ARE JUST USING THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE TO ENACT OUR AGENDA OF DOMINATION AND SUBJIGATION.
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Something we agree on..
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:16 PM   #14
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ok I read the threads so far & its not a smart but a thread where every acts like ladies ( i wanted to say bitches on there time of the month but per dirty & crew I be respectful). This gose for both the LEFT & RIGHT. STOP THE BLAME THIS PERSON OR THAT GROUP. LETS ACT LIKE MEN & JUST SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. NAME YOU IDEA SUPPORT IT WITH FACTS OR HEART. NOT JUST BLAME THIS DC GUY OR THAT DC GUY. IF NOTHING ELSE WE CAN AT LEAST COUNT OUR OWN THOUGHTS NOT JUST A VOTE. SO LETS GO ON WITH WHAT DOSE OBAMA NEED TO DO NOT SOME GIRLY CRING THING ABOUT THE PAST LEST MOVE ON WE ARE THE HOBBY TEA PARTY DIVISON
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:33 PM   #15
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One of the items Obama promised was reducing the country's dependence on foreign oil, yet the USA still promotes the most inefficient modes of travel (energy-wise) over all others.

Air travel is the highest energy cost per passenger mile or ton of freight, by a substantial margin (nearly three to one over cars and trucks). Coupled with the TSA (Thousands Standing Around), their scanning equipment, and other airport delays; short to medium distance air travel has also become one of the slowest means of travel. Yet commercial air travel is one of the sacred cows of our infrastructure.

The US has a department devoted to the promotion of air travel, one can only conclude the real goal is continued and increased OIL consumption and dependency.

Second to Air Travel is Auto/Truck traffic. The average truck gets 5-6 MPG, compared to nearly 500 MPG for the same load on rail. Yet the US continues to expand the Inter-States, other highways, and roads; while pushing disincentives for rail expansion and development. Again, the obvious conclusion is the promotion of OIL use.

Automobile efficiency will be increased from 24-28 MPG to 31-35 MPG by 2020. So What! The 20% improvement in US auto fuel use will pale in comparison to the probable tripling of OIL use by developing Asian economies. The predictable outcome: double or triple OIL prices and increased foreign OIL dependency in the US. That's disregarding the 40-50 thousand traffic deaths, millions of life changing injuries, and billions of property damage EACH YEAR (and we're upset (and should be) about a few thousand war casualties over 10 years in two fronts).

For less than the cost of adding lanes to existing highways, the US make every single pair of rails into four sets, which would enable high speed bypass passenger service in the same corridors as freight. This would allow much higher rail densities in all categories, offset a substantial percentage of trucking congestion (and wear) on existing highways, and decrease traffic fatalities to nearly zero for the passenger miles that transfer from autos to rail.

Switching substantial loads to rail could half the nation's OIL dependence in 5-10 years. Rail beds are cheaper to maintain than highways, so taxes could decrease.
The savings in accidents would bolster the economy.

Europe does it, India does it, Russia does it, China is doing it and expanding rapidly.
The only reason the USA does not promote rail is it doesn't sell OIL or cars.

Ok, my rant is done for the moment.
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