How do you deal with a bully? Kick 'em in the balls.

[a wilted wildflower]

A very nice client told me about ECCIE and I have been a lurker here for a few months. I have been fortunate in not having to advertise to attract the few clients that I see on a regular monthly basis. Thank you Austin guys for your support.

I have been reading the recent topics regarding Max (Wildflowers) in the last few days. Although i find them very comical at times, I wanted to address a serious threat to our secret word here on ECCIE.

My concern is this, it is apparent that Max has a complete disrespect for the community and its staff. I understand that need to not censor therefore allowing him to voice his thoughts opinions and now i want to share mine. I have know Max for several months. In his posts he asks everyone to ask the girls how they are treated. How on earth do you answer a question like this? Should they admit that Max not only demands free pu$$y but requires it to be BBFS. From the get go I felt very controlled and intimidated. I was very naive at the time and believed all the BS that he was feeding me about how I was not allowed to join ECCIE because TC had his back and would not allow it. Nonetheless, I found my way over here. I am glad that i got up the courage to ask questions and comingle with some very smart and helpful folks on this board. I know everyone is SICK of hearing about MAX and this thread is only adding to all the drama.

I just want you to hear it first hand from an ex-Wildflower that is (NOT) still friends with this bully and wants nothing to do with him. I have a favor to ask of all the gentlemen on this board. Continue to call Max and schedule appointments, it is not the girls fault. But, please I beg you, help educate the girls. If we all do this it will make a difference.

Let them know that it's NOT OK to be fucked by Max for free, that it's NOT OK to submit to BBFS, that it's NOT OK to wave a gun around for control and intimidation. Educate them about ECCIE, TER, and any other boards or resources that will help keep them safe or at the very least not feel alone. This may very well be my 1st and last post. I just wanted to get on here and tell you from the inside that its not the picture perfect agency that Max dreams of. He is a loose cannon and needs to be put in his place or simply put BITCH SLAPPED!!!

xoxo, a wilted wildflower

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by a wilted wildflower

A very nice client told me about ECCIE and I have been a lurker here for a few months. I have been fortunate in not having to advertise to attract the few clients that I see on a regular monthly basis. Thank you Austin guys for your support.

I have been reading the recent topics regarding Max (Wildflowers) in the last few days. Although i find them very comical at times, I wanted to address a serious threat to our secret word here on ECCIE.

My concern is this, it is apparent that Max has a complete disrespect for the community and its staff. I understand that need to not censor therefore allowing him to voice his thoughts opinions and now i want to share mine. I have know Max for several months. In his posts he asks everyone to ask the girls how they are treated. How on earth do you answer a question like this? Should they admit that Max not only demands free pu$$y but requires it to be BBFS. From the get go I felt very controlled and intimidated. I was very naive at the time and believed all the BS that he was feeding me about how I was not allowed to join ECCIE because TC had his back and would not allow it. Nonetheless, I found my way over here. I am glad that i got up the courage to ask questions and comingle with some very smart and helpful folks on this board. I know everyone is SICK of hearing about MAX and this thread is only adding to all the drama.

I just want you to hear it first hand from an ex-Wildflower that is (NOT) still friends with this bully and wants nothing to do with him. I have a favor to ask of all the gentlemen on this board. Continue to call Max and schedule appointments, it is not the girls fault. But, please I beg you, help educate the girls. If we all do this it will make a difference.

Let them know that it's NOT OK to be fucked by Max for free, that it's NOT OK to submit to BBFS, that it's NOT OK to wave a gun around for control and intimidation. Educate them about ECCIE, TER, and any other boards or resources that will help keep them safe or at the very least not feel alone. This may very well be my 1st and last post. I just wanted to get on here and tell you from the inside that its not the picture perfect agency that Max dreams of. He is a loose cannon and needs to be put in his place or simply put BITCH SLAPPED!!!

xoxo, a wilted wildflower

I tend to disagree with your suggested course of action.....

If you are being truthful and guys continue to book the ladies through MAX he continues to exert control over them.... He gets to gloat over how he put the staff and membership in their place and is able to continue to advertise and do business here no matter what he does....

If the ladies are not making the money they need through them perhaps they will look to another agency or look to going independent.....

It seems you could show them a lot more than any of us can by becoming an independent advertising provider on the board and showing them they can make a break and have some success.....

he can try to deny it all he wants but there is certainly far too much smoke around for there not to be a fire...... and the members here are a bit smarter than he probably gives anyone credit for.....

I agree totally that MAX shows complete and total disregard and no respect for the staff or members of the community.....

It's been a long time thing tolerated over on ASPD that seems to continue to be tolerated here on ECCIE...... I don't understand it....

I'm waiting to see some lame post where he tries to blame it all on someone using his computer or hacking his account......

Well if that story gets presented we will all have to ask ourselves how we could ever consider doing business with someone so careless that would have our personal information, addresses for out calls etc.....

He may salvage his membership but it appears he is captaining a sinking ship.....

You should post the same messages across other boards as well..... If allegations are true and he does exert some control over one of the mods you can get the message out better if yopu cross post it to other review sites as well.....

[Beagle]

Seems like what wiltedwildflower was suggesting was to set an appointment with the ladies and let them know how things would work out so much better if they got out of the agency.

I suspect many clients who turn to agencies are the ones who are not as familiar with the indies in the area and need an appointment set up within short notice. Depriving the WF girls of any clients may drive the agency down eventually, but only in as far as the non-ECCIE clients/clients unfamiliar with local indies fail to sustain their viability. In the time it takes the agency to die down, the girls will continue to serve under Max.

[Guest020916]

Isn't BBFS through coercion or intimidation pretty much rape?
For a guy who's got a past with Johnny Law, he's not very smart about laying low.
Especially waving a gun around unless he was a cowboy for halloween.
I'd be more worried that the girls may contract something from BBFS with many providers. It's not worth the $ for receiving a gift that keeps on giving (to others).

Sorry, I'm not calling this agency based on the drama alone whether the comments about the owner are true or not. Clients don't need more heat into the hobby.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by motorboating

Sorry, I'm not calling this agency based on the drama alone whether the comments about the owner are true or not. Clients don't need more heat into the hobby.

luckily we have several Drama Free Agencies around to choose from.....

[rekcaSxT]

Wilted,

I am so sorry to hear this. I hope you can make it out if you have not already.

It is obvious now that Max is a problem, is NOT to be trusted, and needs to be dealt with. I understand he has been banned, but an alert needs to be sticky posted or something.

Who did you say on staff he had in his pocket?

[Artie Lange]

So we should continue to put money in his pocket by seeing his girls. We should give our screening info to an ex-con? See a girl who has been barebacking someone who has spent time in the joint?

You got any stock tips? I like how you thinck!

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Big Jake

So we should continue to put money in his pocket by seeing his girls. We should give our screening info to an ex-con? See a girl who has been barebacking someone who has spent time in the joint?

You got any stock tips? I like how you thinck!

Don't you mean livestock tips, big shot?

[GneissGuy]

Originally Posted by rekcaSxT

Who did you say on staff he had in his pocket?

Rest assured, he'll tell people he has a staff member (or the board owner) in his pocket no matter who is on staff. He'll probably claim to have someone in local law enforcement in his pocket as well.

You can also be pretty sure that whoever he points the finger at is his LEAST favorite staff member, not his buddy. If he did have a friend on the inside, that's the last person he'd finger.

Are any of you really dumb enough to believe that a criminal is going to give the correct names of his "inside man" to his victims?

[Don T. Lukbak]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

Are any of you really dumb enough to believe that a criminal is going to give the correct names of his "inside man" to his victims?

Excellent point, GG.

"Max" sure does seem to be in a big hurry to get back home to his daddy in the joint ... sheesh, a felon on parole flaunting an illegal weapon and pissing people off, seemingly just for fun. Sounds like he's begging to be incarcerated.

The question is: who's he going to pull down with him when he falls? Can he really imagine the po-pos don't know about him? Almost his every move? Probably the only hard part for L.E. is to decide when they're done building a case, adding charges, and go in and end it.

I want to be elsewhere when that happens.

Expect you do too.

[rocker]

Max does indeed have friends in high
places on this board.

Rocker

[tcreative2]

Would Max tell people that I'm his buddy and that I give him preferencial treatment? I don't know ......... Is it true ........ NO ........ I'm not affliated with any agency, have never used one as a custumer and if I did decide to get into the business it wouldn't be with a partner ...... especially one as bad at PR and marketing as Max is. I'm not sure but I don't think Max makes enough money to have an incall let alone pay me enough to take the kinds of risks that come with that business.

As staff every once in awhile we get asked to be the hobby police. I had one agency demand that we take down photos posted by another agency claiming that they owned the photos. Sorry but that's a matter for the courts or fists but it's not in the perview of the board. Fake or stolen photos we'll look into but not inter-agency pissing contests and ownership of photos. Now the complaining agency decides that because we won't act that we're favoring the other agency ..... they choose not to understand because they're emotionally and financially involved. We've been contacted by a number of women who've left agencies and have asked for help because they were being harrassed and threatened. We'll help there trying to protect the girls new identity and by keeping a close eye on any threads started trying to destroy her. I've made a couple of enimies helping girls escape from pimps/agencies and even been the recipient of threats because of it. Wildflowers has never had an ex-provider ask us for help. We had one odd request for help from a friend/agent of an ex-Wildflower complaining about Max but not the girl herself. It smelled too much like more agency crap. The agencies are always trying to steal each others talent ........ but as Mods. and eccie staff we don't get involved.

Now I may be jaded after handling so many agency squabbles and catching a few of them making bogus posts from multiple handles but my bet is that this thread was not started by a provider. There have been too many posts about Wildflowers in the last week to think that this is anything but a smear campaign and vendetta going on. We even had to temporarily ban Wildflowers account because someone hacked control of his and changed his avatar to a very funny photo of a fat women. This has not been a random group of concerned citizens participating in the Max bashing. Unfortunately the technology to catch the asshats that game the board has been rendered almost useless by the use of proxy servers and dynamic randomly assigned IPs. We only catch the dumb ones anymore.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by tcreative2

................. We even had to temporarily ban Wildflowers account because someone hacked control of his and changed his avatar to a very funny photo of a fat women. This has not been a random group of concerned citizens participating in the Max bashing. Unfortunately the technology to catch the asshats that game the board has been rendered almost useless by the use of proxy servers and dynamic randomly assigned IPs. We only catch the dumb ones anymore.

And there it is....... As expected....... a lame excuse and attempt to sweep it all under the rug...........

I'm sorry TC... but those posts were "ClassicMax"...... escalating and saying the same crap he has posted over and over again......

Was it another Agency doing the poking and prodding? .... Was it a disgruntled customer?..... Was it an ex wildflower?......

Does it really matter?....... Max has been an onboard loud mouthed bully from the beginning over on ASPD and he has been one here so it is pretty easy to believe what is being posted... There was nothing about those posts, the verbiage used, the style of writing that would lead anyone to believe it was anyone other than Max.....

I don't think you will find too many people that have been around very long willing to buy that load........

I have a question TC....... I know that we are not able to post the contents of PMs received here on ECCIE..... But if someone had access to PMs on a now defunct board that supported some of the improprieties and actions claimed here would it be improper for them to post them?

IF they were posted would that person receive the same 30 day ban Marley received for posting Locker Room information?

It might just be worth it to lay out all the dirty laundry for a final cleaning.....

[nuglet]

Ya know whispers, I've been following this and was skeptical, but have to admit you DID predict this going down exactly as it is. Coincidence? possibly.... uh huh. Kinda like, "why does it get colder every time the days get shorter? I wonder why it is that every single time someone goes overboard, it's a case of their account being hacked.. Just makes ya go.....hmmmmmmm

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by nuglet

Ya know whispers, I've been following this and was skeptical, but have to admit you DID predict this going down exactly as it is. Coincidence? possibly.... uh huh. Kinda like, "why does it get colder every time the days get shorter? I wonder why it is that every single time someone goes overboard, it's a case of their account being hacked.. Just makes ya go.....hmmmmmmm

What other play could he possibly have had other than to whine that his account was hacked..... Now that it is out would any of you want to do business with him? What other information does he have about some of you that could have been compromised when he was "hacked"?