New Navy Seal Book Says bin Laden Already Dead

[CuteOldGuy]

According to a new book coming out, bin Laden was dead by the time the Seals got to his room. The official story is they confronted him, unarmed, in his room, which I thought was a bad kill. They had the opportunity to capture him, but killed him instead.

However, this book said they saw bin Laden sticking his head out a window, and when he pulled back, they shot him in the head. They would have had no other choice at that point. If they thought he was going for a weapon, then kill him. I'd support that scenario.

Interesting article. So far, it doesn't seem overly political. Apparently the author mentions that the SEALS don't like Obama much, but they respect his authority. Can't ask for much more than that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=all#pagebreak

[CJ7]

already dead ... LMFAO

nothing like an idiot writing a conspiracy book and another idiot buys it ..

how much was it COF ?

[Whirlaway]

Why do I think CJ doesn't understand the post ?

[CJ7]

I got news for the simpletons .. dead men dont swell up and bleed


http://qbit.cc/blog/wp-content/uploa...-bin-laden.jpg


end of lying seal conspiracy.


yeah, youre right, I couldnt make it past the already dead line ... blame COF given his propensity to drag horseshit conspiracy theories out of every crack he can find, including his ass.

my bad

snick

[CuteOldGuy]

CBJ7 rarely understands a post, many times not even his own.

[Guest032516]

I don't give a shit whether or not he was armed or unarmed.

They shot him dead and that is all that counts. Whether it was someone shooting him through a window or as he stuck his head out into a hallway, it is irrelevant. The SEALs came into the room within seconds either way.

The one thing we could NOT do was take him alive. If we still had him, the hanky heads would be grabbing American hostages all over the globe and threatening decapitations if we did not turn "Shiekh Ussama" loose. But, he is dead, so no point grabbing hostages, right?

I think President Obama knew this, the Sec of Def knew this, Hillary Clinton knew this, and every uniformed person right down to the SEAL team members knew this.

He was never going to be given a chance to surrender and I applaud Obama for making that call - even if everything had to be tacitly acknowledged without spelling out an order to kill him.

BTW, I am not an Obama fan, in case you are wondering about political affiliations. I'm also not a Romney fan. I hate this election.

[Whirlaway]

I agree with everything; EXCEPT the record is clear, Obama didn't answer the 3 am call; in fact Obama canceled the Kill OBL raid 3 times on the advice of his political operative Valerie Jarrett; only after Hillary got pissed was Obama forced to follow thru on the raid...It was Hillary who had the cojones and answered the 3 am phone call....

Fact jack.

Originally Posted by ExNYer

I don't give a shit whether or not he was armed or unarmed.

They shot him dead and that is all that counts. Whether it was someone shooting him through a window or as he stuck his head out into a hallway, it is irrelevant. The SEALs came into the room within seconds either way.

The one thing we could NOT do was take him alive. If we still had him, the hanky heads would be grabbing American hostages all over the globe and threatening decapitations if we did not turn "Shiekh Ussama" loose. But, he is dead, so no point grabbing hostages, right?

I think President Obama knew this, the Sec of Def knew this, Hillary Clinton knew this, and every uniformed person right down to the SEAL team members knew this.

He was never going to be given a chance to surrender and I applaud Obama for making that call - even if everything had to be tacitly acknowledged without spelling out an order to kill him.

BTW, I am not an Obama fan, in case you are wondering about political affiliations. I'm also not a Romney fan. I hate this election.

[Guest032516]

I love this part:

"Bissonnette writes that during a pre-raid briefing, an administration lawyer told them that they were not on an assassination mission. According to Bissonnette, the lawyer said that if bin Laden was “naked with his hands up,” they should not engage him. If bin Laden did not pose a threat, they should detain him..."

Talk about "read between the lines" instructions. An example of not being a threat is being naked and having his hands up"

"Hey, guys, this is NOT an assassination! BUT, if he has clothes on, assume he has a weapon and blow him away."

Again, I give the administration credit.

[Whirlaway]

More to the point; fucking lawyers involved in creating legal cover for the Navy Seals operation !

What the American left has done to protect our enemies is a disgrace. They are traitorous.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I agree with everything; EXCEPT the record is clear, Obama didn't answer the 3 am call; in fact Obama canceled the Kill OBL raid 3 times on the advice of his political operative Valerie Jarrett; only after Hillary got pissed was Obama forced to follow thru on the raid...It was Hillary who had the cojones and answered the 3 am phone call...

Care to give us a background citation?

Why did Jarrett advise not doing it? To wait for a better opportunity? Or to make sure it was him and not a false alarm that would tip our hand? If so, those are not bad reasons to delay...

[Whirlaway]

Jarrett is Obama's political advisor; she thought there were political consequences should the mission fail (you remember the Carter fiasco in the desert?). It is documented in this recent book....why would Jarrett be involved in what is essentially a military operation is a more important question, don't you think ?

Who / what are her skills to determine "better timing" factors for a military raid ?


http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/ob...lerie-jarrett/

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Care to give us a background citation?

Why did Jarrett advise not doing it? To wait for a better opportunity? Or to make sure it was him and not a false alarm that would tip our hand? If so, those are not bad reasons to delay...

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

I love this part:

"Bissonnette writes that during a pre-raid briefing, an administration lawyer told them that they were not on an assassination mission. According to Bissonnette, the lawyer said that if bin Laden was “naked with his hands up,” they should not engage him. If bin Laden did not pose a threat, they should detain him..."

Talk about "read between the lines" instructions. An example of not being a threat is being naked and having his hands up"

"Hey, guys, this is NOT an assassination! BUT, if he has clothes on, assume he has a weapon and blow him away."

Again, I give the administration credit.

ditto, on all of the above ... from hating this election to giving the admin credit for the deed done.

TFF

"this is not an assination attempt! If Bin Laden is tap dancing on one foot, whistling dixie, and reading Playboy, DO NOT SHOOT !


lol

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Jarrett is Obama's political advisor; she thought there were political consequences should the mission fail (you remember the Carter fiasco in the desert?). It is documented in this recent book....why would Jarrett be involved in what is essentially a military operation is a more important question...

Who / what are her skills to determine "better timing" factors for a military raid ?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/ob...lerie-jarrett/

There is nothing odd about having political advisors (i.e., someone "non-military") involved in these types of decisions. All administrations have done it and will continue to do it, as they should. In our system of government, it is the civilians that control the military, not the other way around.

All military actions, by their nature, have political consequences, both domestically and internationally. Von Clausewitz was right when he said that "War is the continuation of politics by other means..."

BTW, that book is a POS hatchet job. It is ridiculously slanted. Consider this excerpt from the article:

"President Obama’s greatest success was actually his greatest failure,” Miniter told The Daily Caller Friday. ”Leading From Behind,“ he said, traces the arc of six key Obama administration decisions, and shows how the president made them — and, often, failed to make them."

Really? Greatest failure? Bin Laden is DEAD. And none of our guys were killed. What part of that sounds like a failure? How does delaying a couple of months convert a success into a failure?

This is a lousy political tactic that Karl Rove championed. He did not originate it, as some claim, but he was surely a master practitioner. The tactic attempts to turn an opponent's perceived strength into a weakness. So, rather than remain quiet while an opponent is given credit for doing something right, you attack it head on and cast doubts about its accuracy or relevance. Sometimes you spread - or have anonymous operatives spread - outright lies about an opponent's successes or merits.

John Kerry served his country in Vietnam and that was a perceived strength. So Karl Rove - or someone doing his bidding - set about undermining Kerry's streength by starting up the Swift Boat stories to cast doubt upon what Kerry did.

You can debate whether or not the Swift Boating made a difference - probably not in all likelihood. Most peoples minds are made up early and it takes a stick of dynamite to dislodge them from their positions. Personally, I think it probably backfired on Bush. I know I found it distasteful and I am traditionally a Republican.

But it appears the same tactic is being used on Obama - attack one of his perceived strengths by throwing every piece of shit rumor or innuendo at it.

[Whirlaway]

Ok; You think politics should enter into this military decision........

What kind of valuable "perspective" would Jarrett offer Obama ...please tell me. I would love to hear your opinion on what Jarrett's advice would be that she got Obama to call off the operation 3 times; presumbably after the military planners confirmed OBLs presence, confirmed the assets were in place for a successful mission, confirmed it was OBL at the compound......I can only imagine what Jarrett might say to get Obama to back off 3 times.....please tell us what the scope of her advice might be. Afterall, the decision to get OBL was already made, it was just a matter of planning and execution of the mission right ?

What role would a political advisor have at that point?


I am curious; what is your political affiliation ?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I am curious; what is your political affiliation ?

Can't you read? He has already spelled it out for you two times.

I happen to agree with him.

All leaders have to at least entertain the political ramifications. And yes Carl Rove perfected this tactic of attacking a strength. Shit Rove went after John McCain in SC saying he fathered a black baby!