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Old 06-30-2025, 08:56 PM   #1
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Default Top economist who previously sounded the alarm on tariffs sees a possible scenario where Trump ‘outsmarted all of us’

Top economist who previously sounded the alarm on tariffs sees a possible scenario where Trump ‘outsmarted all of us’

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...170622258.html


  • Torsten Sløk, chief economist at Apollo Global Management, laid out a potential scenario where President Donald Trump’s tariffs are extended long enough to ease economic uncertainty while also providing a significant bump to federal revenue. That comes as the 90-day pause on Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs” is nearing an end.
Businesses and consumers remain in limbo over what will happen next with President Donald Trump’s tariffs, but a top economist sees a way to leave them in place and still deliver a “victory for the world.”


In a note on Saturday titled “Has Trump Outsmarted Everyone on Tariffs?”, Apollo Global Management Chief Economist Torsten Sløk laid out a scenario that keeps tariffs well below Trump’s most aggressive rates long enough to ease uncertainty and avoid the economic harm that comes with it.



“Maybe the strategy is to maintain 30% tariffs on China and 10% tariffs on all other countries and then give all countries 12 months to lower non-tariff barriers and open up their economies to trade,” he speculated.


That comes as the 90-day pause on Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs,” which triggered a massive selloff on global markets in April, is nearing an end early next month.


The temporary reprieve was meant to give the U.S. and its trade partners time to negotiate deals. But aside from an agreement with the U.K. and another short-term deal with China to step back from prohibitively high tariffs, few others have been announced.


Meanwhile, negotiations are ongoing with other top trading partners. Trump administration officials have been saying for weeks that the U.S. is close to reaching deals.



On Saturday, Sløk said extending the deadline one year would give other countries and U.S. businesses more time to adjust to a “new world with permanently higher tariffs.” An extension would also immediately reduce uncertainty, giving a boost to business planning, employment, and financial markets.


“This would seem like a victory for the world and yet would produce $400 billion of annual revenue for US taxpayers,” he added. “Trade partners will be happy with only 10% tariffs and US tax revenue will go up. Maybe the administration has outsmarted all of us.”


Sløk’s speculation is notable as he previously sounded the alarm on Trump’s tariffs. In April, he warned tariffs have the potential to trigger a recession by this summer.


Also in April, before the U.S. and China reached a deal to temporarily halt triple-digit tariffs, he said the trade war between the two countries would pummel American small businesses.



More certainty on tariffs would give the Federal Reserve a clearer view on inflation as well. For now, most policymakers are in wait-and-see mode, as tariffs are expected to have stagflationary effects. But a split has emerged.


Fed Governor Christopher Waller said Friday that economic data could justify lower interest rates as early as next month, expecting only a one-off impact from tariffs. But San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly also said Friday a rate cut in the fall looks more appropriate, rather than a cut in July.




Still, Sløk isn’t alone in wondering whether Trump’s tariffs may not be as harmful to the economy and financial markets as feared.


Chris Harvey, Wells Fargo Securities’ head of equity strategy, expects tariffs to settle in the 10%-12% range, low enough to have a minimal impact, and sees the S&P 500 soaring to 7,007, making him Wall Street’s biggest bull.


He added that it’s still necessary to make progress on trade and reach deals with big economies like India, Japan and the EU. That way, markets can focus on next year, rather near-term tariff impacts.


“Then you can start to extrapolate out,” he told CNBC last month. “Then the market starts looking through things. They start looking through any sort of economic slowdown or weakness, and then we start looking to ’26 not at ’25.”


This story was originally featured on Fortune.com
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Old 06-30-2025, 09:36 PM   #2
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... Trump outsmarted all of THEM.

... As we MAGAs surely expected President Trump's tariff gambit
would be successful... ... WINNING! ...

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Trump plays 5D chess. The rest are playing checkers. Trump has them in Tariff checkmate!!!!
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Lol. trump couldn't find his own ass with both hands and a flashlight. This is the textbook definition of the broken clock/blind squirrel doctrine.
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Trump plays 5D chess. The rest are playing checkers. Trump has them in Tariff checkmate!!!!
I spit my coffee out on this one! OMG. The guy is god damned idiot. He thinks like it's 1950; and while I will say some of the tariffs are probably necessary with countries who have limited our exports or required a heavy entry tariff prior, this whole idea that they are going to either do away with the IRS, and taxing is a ruse. It's the exact same thing as a consumption tax, where the lowest income earners pay the greatest percentage of tax. Where is it fair and equitable? Plus, it' penalizes innovation and bringing in new goods or create a competitive cost model for all sellers. Tariffs for government operations is a total joke- perhaps when Jackson was POTUS it was ok due to NO tracking or mechanisms to tax outside of consumption, sales, or tariffs, but this is 2025. There are MANY ways to confirm all the above and monitor in real time what's happening.

The whole 5-D chess is a total JOKE. I'm not sure DJT has ever played anything requiring thoughtful strategy vs. deception of promises and running ppl over with a bus. - (If that can be considered a strategy. He does it in business and politics with primarying non-magas.) ((The guy gives himself 18 gimmee's and 12 Mulligans every round of golf.))

Ask Giuliani
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Eye there’s a real simple solution here.

Level the playing field regarding trade. The US shouldn’t accept any trade agreement that puts the US at a disadvantage. If the other country doesn’t want to play ball then tariff them.

So far the numbers DONT support your argument. Record tariff revenue and low inflation. What’s not to like?
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Old 07-01-2025, 10:29 AM   #7
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Some folks still don't understand that the overwhelming majority of trump's tariff threats haven't been implemented yet and that inflation would surely follow if they ever were. MAGA is counting a bunch of cards they either no longer hold, or never held to begin with.
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And what other folks don’t understand is if tariffs are so bad why does almost every country in the world have them on US imports? Are they hurting their people? Is inflation running rampant due the their generational tariff policy?

Why?
Why?
Why?

It’s like being scared of your shadow and unable to see the forest through the trees.
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Again, nearly all of trump's tariff threats have NOT been implemented yet. But do check back in if/when they ever are. This will be a completely different conversation.
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Again, nearly all of trump's tariff threats have NOT been implemented yet. But do check back in if/when they ever are. This will be a completely different conversation.
Again. Tell me why other countries have tariffs on US imports and have for a generation?

But you won’t. You’ve painted yourself into a corner.

Par for the course.
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And you won't acknowledge that most of trump's tariff threats haven't even been implemented. So, here we are.

There's no way of knowing how they would affect inflation, because they don't exist yet. So, whatever it is you're touting is based on an imaginary scenario. Check back in if/when it ever comes to fruition. The conversation will be much different.
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And you won't acknowledge that most of trump's tariff threats haven't even been implemented. So, here we are.

There's no way of knowing how they would affect inflation, because they don't exist yet. So, whatever it is you're touting is based on an imaginary scenario. Check back in if/when it ever comes to fruition. The conversation will be much different.
Future July tariffs have been defined but not implemented. It’s not the mystery box.

Follow the bread crumbs. Do some actual research.
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And what other folks don’t understand is if tariffs are so bad why does almost every country in the world have them on US imports? Are they hurting their people? Is inflation running rampant due the their generational tariff policy?

Why?
Why?
Why?

It’s like being scared of your shadow and unable to see the forest through the trees.
Self induced TDS and political blindness.

Its why Adolph ended up in power in Germany, they had the hatred to put him in power, no different than whats happening in NYC.

They see tarrifs on us as a form of self flagellation, we should be paying countries to buy our products, because the USA is a fundamentally bad country, and they ultimately want to see Trump fail.

For some reason, rioting in the streets is attractive to them, as is seeing the rich suffer.

It all compounds into what they say here.

I cannot emphasize enough you study the Weimar Republic and the effects of castrating a proud country and its people.
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https://t.me/RealDonaldoTrumpo/30882

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Geeze,
Trump used to own casinos.
He knows how to play the odds
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