It Took 115 Days After 1876 Election to Decide President After Claims of Voter Fraud

[dilbert firestorm]

https://www.newsweek.com/1876-electi...-fraud-1545398
It Took 115 Days After 1876 Election to Decide President After Claims of Voter Fraud
By Brendan Cole On 11/6/20 at 6:42 AM EST

After Tuesday's election in which Democratic contender Joe Biden leads President Donald Trump, there is no clear winner as of Friday morning. Trump has claimed the Democrats are trying to execute fraud to steal the election and has promised legal challenges which could further postpone a definitive outcome.

This has cast some people's minds back to the most recent major presidential election delay: the contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000. The result came down to a few hundred votes in Florida, sparking recounts that lasted weeks.

The election was not decided until Gore conceded following a Supreme Court ruling, 5-4 in Bush's favor, on how any further recounts would be carried out. That ruling was made on December 12—some 35 days after Americans had gone to the polls on November 7.

With attention spans truncated by the immediacy of social media, the gap between U.S. Election Day and a result this year has tested the patience of Americans, but past elections have featured even longer delays, the lengthiest also involving fraud claims.


Ballots are counted at the Maricopa County Election Department in Phoenix, Arizona on November 5, 2020. There has been a delay in declaring the winner betweenDonald Trump and Joe Biden. OLIVIER TOURON/Getty Images

The longest delay

That happened after Americans went to the polls on November 7, 1876, in a contest between Democrat Samuel Tilden and the Republican Rutherford Hayes.

Initially, Tilden won a majority of the popular vote as well as 184 electoral college votes to Hayes's 165, with 20 votes from four states unresolved.

However, on Election Day there was voter intimidation against African-American Republican voters in the South, according to the Smithsonian magazine. Three Southern states, Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina, had Republican-dominated election boards, according to the Smithsonian Magazine.

There were also questions of electoral fraud, Ben Marsh, American history lecturer at England's University of Kent told Newsweek, as counting continues in the 2020 election.

Republican-dominated state electoral commissions disallowed Democratic votes, some on the pretext that some ballots had been printed with Republican symbols on them, he said. Meanwhile, in Oregon, one Republican elector was declared ineligible by a Democratic governor who sought to replace him with a Democrat vote, Marsh noted.


Studio portrait of Rutherford Birchard Hayes (1822-1893), who won the election in 1876. It took 115 days for him to be confirmed the winner. Getty Images

"In the end they passed an innovative law in January 1877 to create an Electoral Commission to resolve it," Marsh said. "Republican domination of the Supreme Court thereby helped get Hayes all the disputed electoral votes on March 2," he added.

Hayes was declared the winner with 185-184 Electoral College majority—115 days after Election Day. It led to the Compromise of 1877, in which Republicans agreed to an end to Reconstruction and military occupation of the South.

Other delays over 100 days

The second longest delay came after the presidential election on October 31, 1800.

Thomas Jefferson was eventually declared president after a runoff in Congress, which finally concluded on February 17, 1801—a date 109 days after Election Day.

Another drawn-out race to the White House ended 106 days after the Election Day of October 26, 1824. A runoff in the House of Representatives concluded with John Quincy Adams declared the victor over Andrew Jackson on February 9, 1825—106 days after the Americans voted.

Of course, the issues around delays in this year's election are not comparable to these 19th-century battles. The 2020 election has involved a huge increase of mail-in ballots caused by the coronavirus pandemic, with different counting rules in place for different states.

As of 6 a.m. ET Friday, both Trump and Biden can still win, although as things stand Biden more paths to victory. With 253 electoral votes called for him, Biden needs just 17 to pass the 270 threshold. Legal challenges from Trump's team are still pending.

"Of course, most presidential elections that were 'decided' on the day were done via media projections, not official results, which took weeks to be confirmed. In a sense, it's nothing unusual," said American politics professor at London's Birkbeck University, Robert Singh.

"What is different are the delegitimation attempts, well before the election and since, by the Trump team. That is making this appear more peculiar than it really is," he told Newsweek.

The graphic below provided by Statista shows the closest elections since 1896.


Statista

[dilbert firestorm]

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...allenge-233294

House Democrats fail to muster support to challenge Trump’s Electoral College win

By KYLE CHENEY

01/06/2017 01:46 PM EST
Updated 01/06/2017 02:20 PM EST

A challenge by several House Democrats to Donald Trump’s election on Friday collapsed when they failed to persuade a single Democratic senator to join their protest.

The short-lived, doomed-from-the-start effort — spearheaded by Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Barbara Lee of California — came during a joint meeting of the House and Senate to certify Trump’s Electoral College victory. Without sufficient support to challenge Trump’s victory, the Republican-led Congress moved ahead with an easy confirmation of Trump’s presidency. The only remaining step is for him to take the oath of office on Jan. 20.

“It is over,” said Vice President Joe Biden, presiding over the meeting, after three Democratic House members lodged objections but failed to secure required support from any senator. His comment drew a standing ovation and cheers from the assembled Republicans in the room.

The joint session of Congress is a legally required — and typically ceremonial — event to ratify the results of the presidential election. But members are permitted to challenge the validity of electoral votes, and for just the fourth time since 1877, they did so.

There was no expectation that the protests would succeed — backers acknowledged that the Republican-led House and Senate would never act to impede Trump’s imminent presidency. But it’s a continuation of efforts by Democrats to poke Trump in the eye before he takes office and undermine what his team has described as a “mandate” to govern. Democrats have routinely cited Trump’s 2.9 million-ballot popular vote loss to Hillary Clinton and pounced on Russian meddling in the election to undermine Trump’s victory.

Jackson Lee and her allies argued that widespread voter suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the results. They also pointed to research provided by a team of independent lawyers that found dozens of Republican electors were technically ineligible to serve. But their arguments failed to persuade their Senate colleagues to step forward.

Though any single member may lodge an objection, only those supported by both a House member and senator are eligible for debate. Had the effort by House Democrats gained the support of a single senator, it would have delayed the confirmation of Trump’s victory by hours, forcing the Senate to retreat to its chamber and debate the merits of each challenged electoral vote.

The attempted objections began immediately, when Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.) protested Alabama’s electoral votes, citing Russian interference in the presidential election. His declaration drew a sharp round of booing from the Republicans in the chamber.

Biden asked whether his objection was in writing and if he had the support of a senator. When McGovern acknowledged he had no senator, Biden quickly moved on.

At times, Democratic objectors attempted to lodge complains over Biden’s attempts to gavel the session along. When Jackson Lee objected to Michigan’s votes, Biden gaveled her silent. But she quickly started speaking again while Biden repeatedly slammed the gavel and Republicans began shouting for “order” in the chamber. The episode was repeated when Jackson Lee objected to South Carolina’s vote.

Other objections came from freshman Maryland Rep. Jamie Raskin and Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva.

After the session, Republicans blasted Democrats’ failed anti-Trump effort.

“It’s kind of embarrassing,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas. He said senators didn’t join because “they realized it was just a protest and it wasn’t real.

Colorado GOP Sen. Cory Gardner called the House members “a bit hypocritical” after Democrats criticized Trump during the campaign when the GOP nominee suggested he wouldn’t accept the outcome of the election if he lost. That senators refused to join them, Gardner said, “shows the respect for the people that the senators held.”

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters ahead of the session that she supported the rationale of the protesting lawmakers but that without a Senate backer, their effort was in vain.

“Quite frankly, there’s nothing they could say in there that would be an overstatement of the reasons why we should have a floor discussion. But the fact is you can’t do it on a one-house basis,” she said.

She added that the point of the protest was mostly symbolic, a chance for members to disapprove of Trump.

“It’s not going to have an impact on the outcome of the election. So, that’s not the point. But I think that people don’t want the day to pass without registering concern,” she said. “In some cases, members are concerned about voter suppression. In some cases they are concerned about Russian influence on our election. There are a number of concerns. But really, it’s not going to have an impact at the end of the day.”

The last time lawmakers forced debate on an electoral vote challenge came in 2005, when then-Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) joined Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones to contest the Ohio electoral votes that guaranteed George W. Bush’s reelection. They spent two hours arguing that voting irregularities could have tipped the election in Bush’s favor but failed to convince their colleagues to reverse the outcome.

There was little hope among Democrats for a different outcome this time, even if they had managed to secure support from a senator. Trump’s support among congressional Republicans runs deep, and they were all but certain to ignore technical challenges to electors’ qualifications.

But the process never got that far. Without Senate support, the House Democrats’ protest repeatedly met Biden’s heavy gavel, and Democrats mounting the protests grew more and more exasperated.

“Is there one United States senator who will join me?” said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), after the electoral votes for Wyoming, the final state, were read aloud.

Elana Schor contributed to this report.

[dilbert firestorm]

I didn't know that the democrats tried to contest trumps electoral college result. their attempt failed only because no democrat senator joined the objection move.

regarding 1876 election results, I was wondering why they didn't go to the amendment 12 protocol to settle the election in 1877. turns out they couldn't. congress threw out 3 states for a total of 20 votes as there were claims of fraud in those states. the total number of states were tied at 17 democrat states to 17 republican states.

its why it took so long to settle the issue. after 115 days, they finally settled it on March 2, 1877.

In those days, the president wasn't sworn in January 20, but in March.

interesting factoid...
1. Colorado was the last state to have the legislature vote for a president.
2. 2nd longest delay 1801 - 109 days - House picks president
3. 3rd longest delay 1825 - 106 days - House picks president

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Beat me to it. Yes, they changed the date of the inauguration under FDR.

[Yssup Rider]

1876.

What happened? Internet down?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

[rexdutchman]

kinda like football start the next play before the chance to look to close

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

kinda like football start the next play before the chance to look to close

Good analogy

[WTF]

Look.....you nuts have until tomorrow to come up with enough votes to overturn the election. Hopefully you'll stfu with your constant conspiracy theories and crying after that.

[winn dixie]

Stolen Election!

Americans know how that happened!

dims just dont wanna admit it

[Ripmany]

It still won't stop the thinking of many people. That there was fraud since votes came out the trunk cars and Trump was not close enough watch them.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by WTF

Look.....you nuts have until tomorrow to come up with enough votes to overturn the election. Hopefully you'll stfu with your constant conspiracy theories and crying after that.

feeling triggered???? lol

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

feeling triggered???? lol

wtf and 9500 are out buying more foil.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...allenge-233294

House Democrats fail to muster support to challenge Trump’s Electoral College win

By KYLE CHENEY

01/06/2017 01:46 PM EST
Updated 01/06/2017 02:20 PM EST

A challenge by several House Democrats to Donald Trump’s election on Friday collapsed when they failed to persuade a single Democratic senator to join their protest.

The short-lived, doomed-from-the-start effort — spearheaded by Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Barbara Lee of California — came during a joint meeting of the House and Senate to certify Trump’s Electoral College victory. Without sufficient support to challenge Trump’s victory, the Republican-led Congress moved ahead with an easy confirmation of Trump’s presidency. The only remaining step is for him to take the oath of office on Jan. 20.

“It is over,” said Vice President Joe Biden, presiding over the meeting, after three Democratic House members lodged objections but failed to secure required support from any senator. His comment drew a standing ovation and cheers from the assembled Republicans in the room.

The joint session of Congress is a legally required — and typically ceremonial — event to ratify the results of the presidential election. But members are permitted to challenge the validity of electoral votes, and for just the fourth time since 1877, they did so.

There was no expectation that the protests would succeed but they tried anyway— backers acknowledged that the Republican-led House and Senate would never act to impede Trump’s imminent presidency. But it’s a continuation of efforts by Democrats to poke Trump in the eye before he takes office and undermine what his team has described as a “mandate” to govern. Democrats have routinely cited Trump’s 2.9 million-ballot popular vote loss to Hillary Clinton and pounced on Russian meddling in the election to undermine Trump’s victory.

Jackson Lee and her allies argued that widespread voter suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the results. They also pointed to research provided by a team of independent lawyers that found dozens of Republican electors were technically ineligible to serve. But their arguments failed to persuade their Senate colleagues to step forward.

Though any single member may lodge an objection, only those supported by both a House member and senator are eligible for debate. Had the effort by House Democrats gained the support of a single senator, it would have delayed the confirmation of Trump’s victory by hours, forcing the Senate to retreat to its chamber and debate the merits of each challenged electoral vote.

The attempted objections began immediately, when Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.) protested Alabama’s electoral votes, citing Russian interference in the presidential election. His declaration drew a sharp round of booing from the Republicans in the chamber.

Biden asked whether his objection was in writing and if he had the support of a senator. When McGovern acknowledged he had no senator, Biden quickly moved on.

At times, Democratic objectors attempted to lodge complains over Biden’s attempts to gavel the session along. When Jackson Lee objected to Michigan’s votes, Biden gaveled her silent. But she quickly started speaking again while Biden repeatedly slammed the gavel and Republicans began shouting for “order” in the chamber. The episode was repeated when Jackson Lee objected to South Carolina’s vote.

Other objections came from freshman Maryland Rep. Jamie Raskin and Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva.

After the session, Republicans blasted Democrats’ failed anti-Trump effort.

“It’s kind of embarrassing,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas. He said senators didn’t join because “they realized it was just a protest and it wasn’t real.

Colorado GOP Sen. Cory Gardner called the House members “a bit hypocritical” after Democrats criticized Trump during the campaign when the GOP nominee suggested he wouldn’t accept the outcome of the election if he lost. That senators refused to join them, Gardner said, “shows the respect for the people that the senators held.”

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters ahead of the session that she supported the rationale of the protesting lawmakers but that without a Senate backer, their effort was in vain.

“Quite frankly, there’s nothing they could say in there that would be an overstatement of the reasons why we should have a floor discussion. But the fact is you can’t do it on a one-house basis,” she said.

She added that the point of the protest was mostly symbolic, a chance for members to disapprove of Trump.

“It’s not going to have an impact on the outcome of the election. So, that’s not the point. But I think that people don’t want the day to pass without registering concern,” she said. “In some cases, members are concerned about voter suppression. In some cases they are concerned about Russian influence on our election. There are a number of concerns. But really, it’s not going to have an impact at the end of the day.”

The last time lawmakers forced debate on an electoral vote challenge came in 2005, when then-Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) joined Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones to contest the Ohio electoral votes that guaranteed George W. Bush’s reelection. They spent two hours arguing that voting irregularities could have tipped the election in Bush’s favor but failed to convince their colleagues to reverse the outcome.

There was little hope among Democrats for a different outcome this time, even if they had managed to secure support from a senator. Trump’s support among congressional Republicans runs deep, and they were all but certain to ignore technical challenges to electors’ qualifications.

But the process never got that far. Without Senate support, the House Democrats’ protest repeatedly met Biden’s heavy gavel, and Democrats mounting the protests grew more and more exasperated.

“Is there one United States senator who will join me?” said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), after the electoral votes for Wyoming, the final state, were read aloud.

Elana Schor contributed to this report.

Oh! MY! I don't remember that and apparently nobody on this board from the left did either.

So to 1blackman!, this was all done before, so your "worry" that Trump and Republicans have unleashed something unholy and un-constitutional or un-statutorial, seems to have just been blown out of the water.

Thanks D. that was very informative. I'll just add it to the long list of Hypocrisies.

Any comment? 1blackman! What was the purpose again you spoke of?

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

https://www.newsweek.com/1876-electi...-fraud-1545398
It Took 115 Days After 1876 Election to Decide President After Claims of Voter Fraud
By Brendan Cole On 11/6/20 at 6:42 AM EST

After Tuesday's election in which Democratic contender Joe Biden leads President Donald Trump, there is no clear winner as of Friday morning. Trump has claimed the Democrats are trying to execute fraud to steal the election and has promised legal challenges which could further postpone a definitive outcome.

This has cast some people's minds back to the most recent major presidential election delay: the contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000. The result came down to a few hundred votes in Florida, sparking recounts that lasted weeks.

The election was not decided until Gore conceded following a Supreme Court ruling, 5-4 in Bush's favor, on how any further recounts would be carried out. That ruling was made on December 12—some 35 days after Americans had gone to the polls on November 7.

With attention spans truncated by the immediacy of social media, the gap between U.S. Election Day and a result this year has tested the patience of Americans, but past elections have featured even longer delays, the lengthiest also involving fraud claims.


Ballots are counted at the Maricopa County Election Department in Phoenix, Arizona on November 5, 2020. There has been a delay in declaring the winner betweenDonald Trump and Joe Biden. OLIVIER TOURON/Getty Images

The longest delay

That happened after Americans went to the polls on November 7, 1876, in a contest between Democrat Samuel Tilden and the Republican Rutherford Hayes.

Initially, Tilden won a majority of the popular vote as well as 184 electoral college votes to Hayes's 165, with 20 votes from four states unresolved.

However, on Election Day there was voter intimidation against African-American Republican voters in the South, according to the Smithsonian magazine. Three Southern states, Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina, had Republican-dominated election boards, according to the Smithsonian Magazine.

There were also questions of electoral fraud, Ben Marsh, American history lecturer at England's University of Kent told Newsweek, as counting continues in the 2020 election.

Republican-dominated state electoral commissions disallowed Democratic votes, some on the pretext that some ballots had been printed with Republican symbols on them, he said. Meanwhile, in Oregon, one Republican elector was declared ineligible by a Democratic governor who sought to replace him with a Democrat vote, Marsh noted.


Studio portrait of Rutherford Birchard Hayes (1822-1893), who won the election in 1876. It took 115 days for him to be confirmed the winner. Getty Images

"In the end they passed an innovative law in January 1877 to create an Electoral Commission to resolve it," Marsh said. "Republican domination of the Supreme Court thereby helped get Hayes all the disputed electoral votes on March 2," he added.

Hayes was declared the winner with 185-184 Electoral College majority—115 days after Election Day. It led to the Compromise of 1877, in which Republicans agreed to an end to Reconstruction and military occupation of the South.

Other delays over 100 days

The second longest delay came after the presidential election on October 31, 1800.

Thomas Jefferson was eventually declared president after a runoff in Congress, which finally concluded on February 17, 1801—a date 109 days after Election Day.

Another drawn-out race to the White House ended 106 days after the Election Day of October 26, 1824. A runoff in the House of Representatives concluded with John Quincy Adams declared the victor over Andrew Jackson on February 9, 1825—106 days after the Americans voted.

Of course, the issues around delays in this year's election are not comparable to these 19th-century battles. The 2020 election has involved a huge increase of mail-in ballots caused by the coronavirus pandemic, with different counting rules in place for different states.

As of 6 a.m. ET Friday, both Trump and Biden can still win, although as things stand Biden more paths to victory. With 253 electoral votes called for him, Biden needs just 17 to pass the 270 threshold. Legal challenges from Trump's team are still pending.

"Of course, most presidential elections that were 'decided' on the day were done via media projections, not official results, which took weeks to be confirmed. In a sense, it's nothing unusual," said American politics professor at London's Birkbeck University, Robert Singh.

"What is different are the delegitimation attempts, well before the election and since, by the Trump team. That is making this appear more peculiar than it really is," he told Newsweek.

The graphic below provided by Statista shows the closest elections since 1896.


Statista

[Tsmokies]

I'm pretty sure the straws have left the building in 2021. Maybe yus guys can grasp on to a Cruz straw or balls if he has any lol.

Trump will always be the biggest loser ever in modern history and...he vetoed and tried to defund the military. I still don't think that putin has any more use for the fat ass loser