The LA Times In the lowest moment of Trump's presidency, tens of millions stick by him

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In the lowest moment of Trump's presidency, tens of millions stick by him









After four years of President Trump, Betsy Smith has no trouble reciting many of his faults.
© Provided by The LA Times The crowd chants "Four more years" during a Trump rally in Beverly Hills days before the 2020 presidential election. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times) “He's inartful. He has a big personality. He uses the wrong words. He makes people angry,” said Smith, who worked for 29 years as a police officer in suburban Chicago before moving to Tucson and launching a police training company.

But despite the many scandals, racist invective, lies and violence that have left Trump with his lowest approval ratings, fewer allies than ever in Congress and a looming Senate trial as the only president to be impeached twice, Smith has no regrets about voting for him.
"Trump has done so much for this country and my family," said Smith, 61. "I mean, this is the first time in ages we had a president who so unabashedly supported police. For us, that is huge. And that’s just one thing.”
Tens of millions of voters like Smith have remained loyal even after Trump incited the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol that left five people dead and will almost certainly be the defining moment of his presidency. The mob, which included factions of white supremacists, was but a tiny fraction of the 74 million people who cast ballots for Trump in November.
In dozens of interviews across the country, supporters spoke of Trump in reverential terms as the only president in memory who stood for working people rather than the elite. They said they never doubted his claims that he won the election — a fiction echoed for weeks by right-wing media outlets and many Republican lawmakers. And they pointed to the economy before the COVID-19 pandemic to argue that he deserves a second term, even if that means waiting until the next election.
Boycotting Wednesday's inauguration of Joe Biden, Trump will depart the White House with about a third of Americans approving of his job performance, according to various polls.
© (Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times) Riot police clear the hallway inside the Capitol on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021 in Washington, DC. (Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times) Just under half of Republicans told pollsters from the Pew Research Center that Trump shares no responsibility for the Jan. 6 riot, despite his caustic speech on the National Mall immediately before the mob infiltrated the Capitol.
A majority of Republicans — 64% — say Trump won the election, despite no evidence of significant fraud, dozens of unsuccessful court challenges and assurances from state election officials of both major parties.
"I respect and welcome Joe Biden as president," said Smith, who blames Trump's extremist supporters for giving people like her a bad name. "But I never wanted it to be this way."
Trump, she said, made her feel "prouder" to be American.
Some supporters spoke fondly of Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris climate accord and the Iran nuclear deal, his appointment of three conservatives to the Supreme Court or his staunch backing of Israel. But above all, they talked about the economy before the pandemic.
“We had a great economy, the unemployment rate was low — that was because of President Trump,” said Margaretrose Cox, a 52-year-old speaking coach from Tallahassee, Fla. “He never gets the credit he deserves.
“For the past four years, we have been laughed at, we have been ridiculed, all because we support President Trump,” she said, calling him "a patriot."
On Jan. 6, Cox joined a peaceful demonstration outside the Florida Capitol to protest the results of the November election.
“I think the media has suppressed some information,” she said. “I have the right to my own beliefs, and I want legal votes counted.”
When Cox got home that day, she saw the violence on television.
“It was horrifying what was going on in Washington, D.C.,” she said. “Anyone who breached the Capitol should be arrested."
© (Jenny Jarvie / Los Angeles Times ) Janet Flanigan of Newnan, Ga., disputes claims that President Trump incited the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. (Jenny Jarvie / Los Angeles Times ) Janet Flanigan, a 58-year-old freelance writer in Newnan, Ga., said the vast majority of Trump voters were people like her who reject racism and violence.
She accuses Trump's opponents of a double standard, arguing that during the racial justice protests over the summer, they were careful to distinguish rioters and looters from peaceful demonstrators.
As for Trump's role in the attack on the Capitol, she chooses to focus on the one line in his speech in which he called for a peaceful march — and not statements such as “If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore” or his tweets decrying a stolen election that came after the rioters were already rampaging the building.
“I do not believe at all that President Trump incited a riot,” Flanigan said. “He said, ‘Let’s peacefully march.’ Peacefully march! That is not inciting a riot!
“This whole impeachment is a sham,” she added.
Clampdowns on Trump and his supporters on social media have further aggravated her sense that conservative voices are being suppressed.
“The Democrats have once again further alienated more than half of the country, and they don’t care," she said. "They don’t care.”
That anti-Democrat sentiment was common at small, largely uneventful rallies that took place over the weekend at various state capitols.
Michelle Brookshire, a mother of four from Commerce, Texas, drove to Austin with her youngest daughter, Shalee, to watch one. Unlike other demonstrators, she was unarmed and did not come with signs or chants.
“I just feel life has been better the last four years — the economy, it hasn’t been as much of a struggle,” said Brookshire, 51. “Day to day, I’ve felt more secure.”
A medical billing worker, she worries about the economy under Biden.
“Trump is a businessman, not a politician — that’s a good thing,” said Brookshire. “Biden has always been a politician. He never ran a business."
She is impressed by Trump's wealth, focusing on his successful ventures rather than the millions he initially received from his father and his multiple bankruptcies.
"He has been a success," she said. "That’s a good thing.”
A conservative Christian, she has forgiven the president for his multiple marriages, foul language and temper.
“The Bible, the things we care about — I worry about that, when Trump is gone,” she said. “It’s true that Trump was a bit much sometimes; he could have toned it down. But he helped make life better for us.”
John Hess, who spent 40 years with the U.S. Coast Guard before retiring and moving to Washington state, where he grew up, still lives in Trump's world and has every intention of remaining there.
Over the weekend, he did a one-man pro-Trump rally at the state Capitol in Olympia, flying a yellow “Don’t Tread on Me” flag from his Ford pickup. He parked on a side street and got out of his truck, wearing a "MAGA" hat.
“The threat to democracy didn’t happen Jan. 6," he said. "The threat to democracy happened Nov. 3, when the election was stolen."
Hess, 66, said he plans to continue protesting Biden after Wednesday: “I’m going to do this once a week until I get old and die or until Trump gets back in office.
“You can’t silence 74 million people. I don’t think we want to start off a civil war, but are we willing to say that our country is no longer ruled by the people but by the people who stole the election?
"I think we’re about five years from a Lexington or Concord,” he added, referring to the first battles of the American revolutionary war.
Hess voted for Trump twice and liked him for building the partial border wall, withdrawing troops from abroad and reducing government regulations. He also preferred Trump's light-handed approach to the pandemic over Biden's plans.
“People don’t realize that life is risky," he said of the coronavirus, whose danger he sees as exaggerated, despite scientific evidence to the contrary and a U.S. death toll that this week will surpass 400,000.
To Hess, America’s biggest problems are less political and more spiritual.
“People have forgotten that this is a Christian nation, and we believe in God," he said.
© (Richard Read / Los Angeles Times) Jeff Koch (left) of Federal Way, Wash., protested in support of President Trump this week in Olympia. (Richard Read / Los Angeles Times) Many of Trump's supporters want him to run again. Trump hasn't indicated his plans, though he would be eligible unless he is barred if convicted during a Senate trial after leaving office.
The impeachment and trial are "just a way to keep him from running for president again," said Jeff Koch, a 69-year-old retired sign painter from Federal Way, Wash., who also attended another rally of two people over the weekend in Olympia.
He suggested that impeachment was revenge for Trump's attacks on "the swamp" — as the president likes to call Washington lobbyists and other insiders, even though they have been as present in his administration as in any other.
Koch long ago gave up on his local newspaper and most mainstream media. He liked that the president — one of the few politicians he trusts — could until recently share news himself on the @realDonaldTrump Twitter account. Twitter's decision to ban Trump and moves by Facebook and other social media companies to take down materials supporting false theories of election fraud only fortify Koch's belief that the president's supporters are being muzzled.
“Now people can’t speak for Trump in a meaningful way, and he can’t defend himself,” he said. On social media, there were millions of active users who have "#MAGA" in their bios and the president had ample ways to broadcast his views.
Koch said he believes his options for news are shrinking. At the rally, he carried a sign that said: “Boycott Amazon, Twitter, YouTube, Apple.”
Kaleem reported from Tucson, Lee from Tallahassee, Read from Olympia, Jarvie from Atlanta and McDonnell from Austin.
This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.




Ah yes - the DPST/CCP party is taking names and listing the 'Politically incorrect" for their re-education camps spearheaded by AOC and her islamic squad. Tomorrow is a new day for marxist DPST party minions.



Be very careful - minions - when all teh Republicans and Conservatives are ashes in the wind- There will be No One to speak for You - When Comrade Xi and teh PC thought police come for You - instituting Stalinist terror in 'Amerika; to enforce marxist rule.

[RamTheJam]

Sounds like the "Left Coast" to me.

[nevergaveitathought]

below is all you need to know to dismiss the whole thing as partisan hogwash

"But despite the many scandals, racist invective, lies and violence that have left Trump with his lowest approval ratings"

[oeb11]

'But despite the many scandals, racist invective, lies and violence 'aided, abetted , fomented by,and engineered and caused by the DPST/CCP party and their lapdog LSM to destroy the Trump presidency and all who voted for him!


amen - NGIT.

Commie schumer is on camera oday spouting repeatedly - 'bipartisan', bipartisan' - the only thing 'bipartisan' about commie schumer - is do it my marxist way - and it is bipartisan - anything else is fascist treason and perpetrators will be shipped to the re-education camps!

[pfunkdenver]

It's very clear to me that trump was the worst president I've experienced in my lifetime.

I'm honestly stumped about the support he gets.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by oeb11

'But despite the many scandals, racist invective, lies and violence 'aided, abetted , fomented by,and engineered and caused by the DPST/CCP party and their lapdog LSM to destroy the Trump presidency and all who voted for him!


amen - NGIT.

Commie schumer is on camera oday spouting repeatedly - 'bipartisan', bipartisan' - the only thing 'bipartisan' about commie schumer - is do it my marxist way - and it is bipartisan - anything else is fascist treason and perpetrators will be shipped to the re-education camps!

Re-education camps for Trumptards?

The name implies that there was initially an education.

[Jam3768]

All right oebbie. I will buy your premise that the number of Trump tards who stick by their orange messiah approaches the 10's of millions.

But I am betting none of then regurgitate the same crap over and over dozens of times each day. Like you do.

This truly makes you one of a kind. And thank God for that

[Yssup Rider]

ditto

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by Jam3768

All right oebbie. I will buy your premise that the number of Trump tards who stick by their orange messiah approaches the 10's of millions.

But I am betting none of then regurgitate the same crap over and over dozens of times each day. Like you do.

This truly makes you one of a kind. And thank God for that

The problem is not so much that President Trump is gone, it’s who is in the White House now and how he got there.

We have just elected a idiot. He has been an idiot ever since he came on the scene some five decades ago.

Convincing 80 million other idiots to vote for him did not change that fact.

[matchingmole]

[Yssup Rider]

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

It's very clear to me that trump was the worst president I've experienced in my lifetime.

I'm honestly stumped about the support he gets.

That might be because all you are willing to consider is the personality and only the personality that many of us did not care for.

But did you disagree with his policies? Are you saying that you do not understand why anybody would disagree with what you believe?

Are you stumped by the idea that we, like every other country in the world have immigration laws that say you can not illegally cross our border without permission? Because that is something I am stumped about. How can you not control your borders and call yourself a sovereign country? So I'm wondering what your position is on this topic if you really do want to try and understand why someone who didn't like the man's personality could vote for him for certain positions he took.

So if you are really interested in discussing policies, we could do that right here and see if I, a person that did vote for Trump, can un-stump you as to why I made that vote by discussing policies and not personality unless of course you believe that is all that matters and Joe Biden being a nice guy, is all that matters as opposed to what he may do to our country. Like on his first day in office, the first thing he does, is make it possible for genetic males to compete with genetic females as if there is no difference between them. That's something that stumps me so maybe we can start there or immigration or foreign policy or any other topic that people usually consider when voting for President. if in fact, you want to be un-stumped.



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But my guess is, that wasn't really a sincere question, it was a backhand to anybody that disagreed with your vote. Am I wrong?

I'd be more than happy, as a matter of fact, that is why I come here, to have an actual debate, a civil debate, about issues. You tell me how you feel about a topic, I tell you how I feel about that topic and just maybe one or both of us learns something and while maybe not coming to agreement, we have a better understanding of the issue we are discussing.

Problem is, as I see it, not enough people are interested, really interested in hearing an opinion different from the one they hold. It's not so much that they are stumped, how can they be if they aren't willing to listen which is how after all, one becomes un-stumpped.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

It's very clear to me that trump was the worst president I've experienced in my lifetime.

I'm honestly stumped about the support he gets.

It is really pretty simple. Trump was right on most policy. He fought for that policy and didn't roll over when the " elitist political class " tried to roll him over. The political class has never liked the policy that Trump and his supports would like to see enacted. The political class think they are the smartest people in the room yet they keep digging the United States into an ever deeper hole of wrong policy.



Trump is a street fighter, but unfortunately he sometimes starts a fight when he doesn't need too. He was crude, and he had an abrasive personality at times, but then he was fighting the marxist coup attempt he entire presidency.

[1blackman1]

Trump lost by more than 7 million votes. Shit he lost by 3 million votes when he won. He lost two Republican led states. Seems more Americans disagree with his policies than agree with them. Or maybe his personality and actions were so toxic people were willing to vote against their own self interest to get rid of him. If that’s the case that should tell you something.

I always said if you’re marching for your cause and the people marching with you are waving confederate flags and swatzstikas maybe you need to rethink your positions.

I still can’t understand how Trump supporters believe that a majority of people support trump when it’s clear they are in the minority.I guess that’s part of the Trump delusion and living in echo chambers.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Convincing 80 million other idiots to vote for him did not change that fact.

74 million idiots voted for Trump and 81 million idiots voted for Biden and more importantly...the EC went to Biden after going to Trump in 2016.


155 million idiots is how we choose our President.