honesty is key. lets try some?

[MarandaMarie]

When I first started hobbying I had a lot of established hobbiest give me helpful tips. There were like 3 different hobbiest who told me I should avoid AA men. I'm not racist, but I wondered why. One of them told me a lot of AA men would try to pimp me. Another one said they could be dangerous. I think being pimped is the biggest concern among girls? It's just a stereotype though. I asked a gentleman I see regularly who also see's an AA woman regularly why most girls put that and he said he thought it was because their pimps don't want them to be able to find another pimp. I'm not saying all the girls who put no AA have pimps, there just seems to be a lot of excuses to make racialism "okay."
Some girls won't see young guys in general. As long as you screen the guy it shouldn't matter what color his skin tone is. I've honestly had a lot more fun with the few AA men I've seen!

It's not a preference for ladies, they're just racist. There's no difference between a 45 year old American who has pale beige skin and a 45 year old American who has darker brown skin with the same two references. Any provider who sees a difference between those two men who both have good references, and both are nice to her while trying to gert things set it motion, isn't worth you investing in her business. At least not in opinion. I've had bad experiences with caucasions, multiple bad experiences. You think two or three eggs ruin the dozen? Not in the hobby. You think most alerts in the powder room are about AA men? They don't seem to be at all. A provider is down right racist if she says no AA. She may have had a bad experience with an AA man, but I bet she can at least double or triple those experiences with caucasian men. If she's still willing to see caucasians but not AA because of that experience, she's racist.

And don't compare it to the hobbiest. Hobbiest are literally investing into our business. We have the right to see who we want, as do you gentlemen, but us stereotyping a whole race is racist. You prefering not to see Asian or AA women might be racist, but you're paying for that. You're paying for an hour of time with a women you find attractive, and that varies from guy to guy. Whether you prefer to spend your money on an AA or a Russian woman is as much a preference as you prefering a tall spinner, or a petite BBW. It may be racist but it's your money.

[Lamb66]

Hope I'm not straying from the actual conversation here. I'm just seeing all this as a preference, not racisism. I personally like all the women, no matter of their color or race. If I'm attracted to them, I don't care if they are lime green (Star Trek reference). One of my ATF providers is this super cool black chick. I'm white... She sees me and I'm thankful for that. Racism is the complete opposite of preference. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Preference is
usually used in relation to choosing between alternatives.


Does this site offend any of you?
blackpeoplemeet.com‎

It doesn't bother me. It's a site for black people to meet. I'm probably not welcome to place an ad out there to meet up. Maybe I am. I don't really know for sure. But I'm not screaming racism when that commercial constantly comes on TV. Now if the site were whitepeoplemeet.com, you can bet their is going to be some "foul" crying going on somewhere.

We live in this hyper sensitive society where nobody is just comfortable saying what they want and constantly worrying about offending someone or someone is constantly being offended. Lighten up. I just didn't grow up like that. If there's a white provider out there that only sees AA men, then I guess that's her preference. If it cuts down on her customers, then that's her business. If she doesn't see AA men - that's also her business. But it's not racism unless she flat out says something in her ad like, "I won't see them because I am superior to them and think they are a inferior people."

[SmallWonder]

Personally, I'll see (and have seen) providers of all races. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. I do have personal preferences, though. Some faces attract me more than others. I'm not going to see a lady who I don't find attractive. Also, some body types.

I'm just going to throw this out there: We can complain about racism or other behaviors of people engaged in the hobby if we want. But, given what we are all here for, I'm not sure anyone has any reason to claim any sort of "moral high ground." Just keep that in mind.

[Tee Time]

Some of the comments on this thread baffle me. Because a provider prefers not to see AA men makes them a racist and a discriminator? Then to say since they don't want to see AA men means they have a pimp? In my opinion, that theory is bullshit. I've asked several providers why they don't see black men and the three top answers I remember are: 1) Bad tipping.and disrespect. 2) Will do their best to wear you out and get their money's worth in the allotted time frame. 3) Hygiene. These aren't my reasons. I always thought the reason was because us white guys have smaller dicks and we pop quicker (hold the hate mail, its a joke).
I'm not a provider so I don't know if there is any truth to the aforementioned but I do know I tip well, I'm always polite, I don't try to wear the lady out and I always show up clean. I'm not saying black men don't because I have no idea. Maybe you can call this stereotyping because of a few bad experiences but affirmative action is really not warranted. I'm not here to judge and I can't understand why some of you are more or less condemning other providers because of the no AA policy. If I was black I would be a little pissed about it but this kind of profession is much different than your average job. I'm just happy we have so many quality providers to choose from and if one doesn't want to see a particular category of men, I'll move on to a provider that does. .

[Guest013121]

Regardless if it's meant as a preference or not, it's still reads as being racist (to me). There is no way I could feel NOT racist if I wrote "No AA" in my ads. My preference is to do my best to not discriminate against anybody, for any reason.

[Guest021217]

How many threads of NBA questions are already on this hooker board?

Whores don't want to lose there white clients
whores have pimps
whores have a preference if she doesn't see your race get over it & move on down the line..
Whores can't handle a big black cock
Whores will still see some black men as long as you don't write a review..

[Guest013121]

Why would they lose the white clients? I don't think my clients give 2 fucks about who else I see. It certainly doesn't come up in small talk...

[JackJohnson]

Originally Posted by khazard

Sure you can claim racism or age discrimination, but there is usually a reason behind it if they are putting it in their ads.

Have you tried asking the ladies the exact reason why? Did you get an answer you just were not happy with because you don't fall into that category?

The original discussion is not the "why" it's that it's racist and discriminatory. Because of the nature of providing, they insulate themselves with claims of preference. No matter the reason, fear, experience, etc... it's still racist and discriminatory. That's the point.

Sure it's a choice... but it's a racist and discriminatory one, it's not an argument of mutual exclusivity.

Although I suppose if a "registered" escort (and yes you can have a license in Wichita) refused to see AA men, or any particular race, you would have an actionable claim for discrimination. That would be interesting, a provider who has to lawyer up and settle a discrimination suit.

That would certainly force a re-evaluation of the policy.

[SmallWonder]

Originally Posted by JackJohnson

The original discussion is not the "why" it's that it's racist and discriminatory. Because of the nature of providing, they insulate themselves with claims of preference. No matter the reason, fear, experience, etc... it's still racist and discriminatory. That's the point.

Sure it's a choice... but it's a racist and discriminatory one, it's not an argument of mutual exclusivity.

Although I suppose if a "registered" escort (and yes you can have a license in Wichita) refused to see AA men, or any particular race, you would have an actionable claim for discrimination. That would be interesting, a provider who has to lawyer up and settle a discrimination suit.

That would certainly force a re-evaluation of the policy.

I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt this would go anywhere (legally). You'd have to prove that the provider is engaging in a "business." That's pretty hard to do when they explicitly state that they are asking for a "donation" to spend time with them and anything else that happens is a free-will choice between two people. I can legally choose to spend time with anyone I want and I cannot be sued for discrimination based on who I spend my own time with.

[JackJohnson]

Originally Posted by SmallWonder

I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt this would go anywhere (legally). You'd have to prove that the provider is engaging in a "business." That's pretty hard to do when they explicitly state that they are asking for a "donation" to spend time with them and anything else that happens is a free-will choice between two people. I can legally choose to spend time with anyone I want and I cannot be sued for discrimination based on who I spend my own time with.

Nope, you can't, or anyone could say they didn't want to "spend time" with someone as a basis for discrimination in commerce.

You're charging for your time, that makes it a business.

They tried that argument in the 60s. Freedom of Association is not absolute, and isn't a reason to hinder the free flow of commerce, or allow businesses to discriminate. A primer. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...ssociation.htm

However, since you made me go look that and some other stuff up, I guess that logically, the women who do say no African-Americans are engaging in illegal, discriminatory activity. Fairly simple...

Escorting is inherently legal, as you are literally spending time with someone and hanging out with them is your product - not protected assembly, but it's commerce, which means you can't discriminate. You can't make cakes and say "No Latinos allowed" I don't want to spend my time with them (again that argument was tried by businesses in the 60s... and still today in some cases with the private clubs like the boy scouts, etc - different apple).

So... there's certainly a case, since no one here ever says they are engaging in illegal activity, and the activity that IS advertised is legal commerce, that every escort (who is engaged in legal activity) who says no AA is violating laws against racial discrimination by businesses.

Further... and interesting...

It might be that ECCIE is actually allowing people otherwise engaged in legal activity, to illegally say that they are discriminating on the basis of race. Of course, it isn't responsible for the content of what's posted (or... they probably wouldn't exist). However, its an interesting moral exercise that they are allowing racist practices, or at the very least discriminatory practices to be promoted by people offering services that are legal in a discriminatory manner.

Interesting... I'd play the law and order sound... but I don't have it

I disclaim my disclaimers.

[Eeyore007]

I am an older AA man. I feel offended at times when I see ads that say no AA. The times I don't are when I read no AA under xx age. To me I assume they have had multiple bad experiences with AA men of a certain age group. That is fine with me because that seems like a safety issue. I am well educated, highly respectful job, and in no way am I a thug or pimp. I treat all ladies of race, age and size with respect. We all expect discretion and that goes hand and hand with respect. I also think that if a provider says no AA, then she must not know that AA men carry the same GREEN as men of other races and must Ok with missing out on it. There are alot of providers who have enjoyed my company and "financial support" nationwide. Some areas have more providers than others but that is ok. I am working in central Kansas which has slim choices of providers but when I travel closer to Wichita or KC I am sure I will be able to enjoy time with one of these beautiful ladies I see here in Kansas on eccie. Thanks for allowing me to get on my soap box.

[Guest040719]

Originally Posted by MarandaMarie

And don't compare it to the hobbiest. Hobbiest are literally investing into our business. We have the right to see who we want, as do you gentlemen, but us stereotyping a whole race is racist. You prefering not to see Asian or AA women might be racist, but you're paying for that. You're paying for an hour of time with a women you find attractive, and that varies from guy to guy. Whether you prefer to spend your money on an AA or a Russian woman is as much a preference as you prefering a tall spinner, or a petite BBW. It may be racist but it's your money.

Nail on the head. I respect that not all men want a bbw. It's their money, their fantasy, their time to get treated like a King and if they want a 105lb brunette in nothing but knee-high socks, then that's what they should have! On the flip side, as a peddler of wares, my purpose is to have a good volume of customers and as few problems as possible on the way. I get references and I chit chat a bit. If you pass those steps, it's on like Donkey Kong.

You forget those silly women and come let me help put a smile on your face.

[Hobgoblin]

. I always figured that the reason some ladies didn't want to see AA men was because they thought it might make them look trashy . Which is not nice but what I suspect thier thoughts are.

. Evolutionary psychology, women are and have always been very status conscience and would rather be the 8th wife of a chief than the only wife of a poor farmer. History is filled with thousands of examples. Even today they'd rather be the wife of a football player that smacks them around than married to a guy who clerks at an auto part store. Even if clerky treated her like a queen. It's called hypergamy (google it)

. As far as racism and discrimination goes I think businesses and people should be able to discriminate if they want. I'm not endorsing the racism but do endorse freedom of choice. A Christian bakery shouldn't be forced to bake a cake for a gay couple any more than a gay baker should be forced to bake a cake celebrating the death of that gay guy who got drug to death behind a car years back. you can still actually refuse people service based on their politics BTW like that Trump supporter that refused to tow a Bernie supporters car not long ago.

. Ultimately it should be their choice, if they want to lose the businesses that is on them

[Savannah Moon]

Originally Posted by badboy45tfm

Alot does come from the provider having a black boy friend from what I have seen over the years. Some just personal preference others bad experience

Boyfriend is a very sugar coated term for what it truly is
In KC.. They are known as..pimps.
Like you said not always
What I tell my clients ..it's not about you
In fact ..be grateful.