Not All Money is Good Money

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

Well, I am a fan of reality. If's and wishes are only fun when you're drinking.

I know you like to use this board to postulate your own fantasies though, and that's your prerogative.

Not really.. Just stating basic facts which somehow escape your reasoning ability.

Simple concept. Guys don't see you you starve. Will it happen. Doubtful. I know I am not stopping any time soon. But then again I tend to stay with chicks that will keep their mouths shut. The price I do not mind paying for total secrecy.

[heinz5710]

Originally Posted by SD2011

There is a difference. If you offer to help a gal beyond a session fee do you always expect it to correlate to extended hobby (session) time? If I offer to help someone it's because I want to and I don't sit there trying to calculate if it buys me more time or something. Same goes for helping a friend or family in need.

Sometimes, the callousness of the hobby mindset is pretty sad.

I think I was clear. I never expected more for my gifts. However, there were times when I received more. Those were the ladies I appreciated. We don't like clock watchers for a reason. The reason is that a clock watcher makes it apparent that it is only for the money. The better escorts make sure their client is happy and not that every minute is paid . The best escorts haven't forgotten about the money they just realize that the extra fifteen to thirty minutes means very little looking back. They also realize that if they have a gentlemen who does gift, it is not likely to happen if he hears things like "Are you done yet?" or "I have another appointment in a few minutes please hurry up!" A good escort plans several hours between appointments. That is time set aside to make a few extra dollars.

[Lucyny]

(Not a HDH, so forgive me for intruding--but I do tend to like reading what you guys say.)

Heinz, I agreed with you until you said "several hours between clients."

I mean... for instance, lunchtime is my most popular offering. (I'm not always available--a few days at a time--so availability is a thing.) Lunchtime also lasts from about 11 to 2, let's say. (Going by restaurant time.)

If I have three people who want to see me, but only have about this gap to work with, then... either I can see one of them (and tell the other two to pound sand), and have a couple of hours available if he wants to extend... or... I can put half an hour between (fifteen to freshen up, fifteen wiggle room for early/late), schedule a 10:30-11:30, 12:00-1:00, and 1:30-2:30, and make everyone happy while giving them what they asked for.

Of course, this only really applies during the high-demand periods. (I've got certain folks I know will go over and I schedule extra time for because of that, and thankfully none of them are in that spot.) But... why would it make more sense to hold out for the possibility of excess time (generally at a discount), rather than a "sure thing" of seeing multiple people who want to see me?

Particularly because... I've never had anyone try to upgrade, so it seems a little bit like planning for an incredibly unlikely eventuality.


I say this mostly because I started by making sure to put a lot of time between clients. It mostly results in a lot of unnecessary twiddling of my fingers and telling interested folks I don't have time for them.


If you frequently run into the issue, though... I did have something that worked, once. A guy wanted an overnight, but we'd never met, so he wasn't sure if we were going to "click" or not. So I offered him an option--a slightly expensive hour, and if it goes well, the overage goes toward the overnight price. If you'd like more time but aren't sure you'll use it, maybe that's the sort of thing to look for.


Again, sorry to intrude. But several hours seems.... excessive.

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Not really.. Just stating basic facts which somehow escape your reasoning ability.

Simple concept. Guys don't see you you starve. Will it happen. Doubtful. I know I am not stopping any time soon. But then again I tend to stay with chicks that will keep their mouths shut. The price I do not mind paying for total secrecy.

My point is that, once again, you are going on and on about how we would starve without you on a post that has nothing to do with that. Like it or not, this is the oldest profession, and it's pretty resilient no matter what the rest of the economy is doing. So like I said, you can tell us about your dreams and call them facts all you want (because everyone would just starve to death, not anything reasonable like get another job), but the reality is that you're the only one jerking off over it every night, while everyone else manages to happily go on their way.

Funny, how you think that just because you pay to be humored for an hour it should carry over to other people in other situations. Sorry, that's not how it works. I pity the women who can't be loud enough to turn you away.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

My point is that, once again, you are going on and on about how we would starve without you on a post that has nothing to do with that. Like it or not, this is the oldest profession, and it's pretty resilient no matter what the rest of the economy is doing. So like I said, you can tell us about your dreams and call them facts all you want (because everyone would just starve to death, not anything reasonable like get another job), but the reality is that you're the only one jerking off over it every night, while everyone else manages to happily go on their way.

Funny, how you think that just because you pay to be humored for an hour it should carry over to other people in other situations. Sorry, that's not how it works. I pity the women who can't be loud enough to turn you away.

So it is resilient no matter how the economy goes? Then why did the OP in this thread take it bad when the recession hit and go into early retirement (her words not mine)?

But then again you are just a lower tier hooker who would not know about anything financial such as the economy and that is rather easy to gather from reading your common responses.

I seriously pity the poor guys who are forced to see someone as low tier as you.

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

So it is resilient no matter how the economy goes? Then why did the OP in this thread take it bad when the recession hit and go into early retirement (her words not mine)?

But then again you are just a lower tier hooker who would not know about anything financial such as the economy and that is rather easy to gather from reading your common responses.

I seriously pity the poor guys who are forced to see someone as low tier as you.

LOL, it's good that you try.

Yes, it is pretty resilient, and that's pretty well documented if you're looking for actual information instead of an argument. While the upper echelon stopped getting as much work at 1-2k an hour, they didn't stop completely, and neither did anyone else. There are prostitutes working in even the countries, regardless of a terrible economy, and it's been worse here without stopping anything. Just because the market changes doesn't mean people don't adjust, and it doesn't mean a whole industry will disappear.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

So it is resilient no matter how the economy goes? Then why did the OP in this thread take it bad when the recession hit and go into early retirement (her words not mine)?'

No, what I said is the high end was hit, and in some cases and markets hard, by the down turn. I also say that ladies should spend time encouraging patrons out of their high end so if the economy slows down seasonally like for summer or over all like the Recession, you have a safety net. Patrons are still clients, they are just bigger clients.

I also said I never retired early. I retired when I retired on my own time.

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

I seriously pity the poor guys who are forced to see someone as low tier as you.

I think Charlotte is a smart and sexy lady.

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

LOL, it's good that you try.

Yes, it is pretty resilient, and that's pretty well documented if you're looking for actual information instead of an argument. While the upper echelon stopped getting as much work at 1-2k an hour, they didn't stop completely, and neither did anyone else. There are prostitutes working in even the countries, regardless of a terrible economy, and it's been worse here without stopping anything. Just because the market changes doesn't mean people don't adjust, and it doesn't mean a whole industry will disappear.

Yep, exactly what she said. I hadn't even read her response when I typed mine to Blad. The "Patron" style client was still there. The high end client was still there. And the hair and nails client was still there. They were just there in smaller numbers. But I will concede that the hourly rate at the high end did come down, and in some cases quite significantly depending on product and market. Houston gals weren't hit so hard mainly because Houston wasn't hit so hard by the Down Turn.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

No, what I said is the high end was hit, and in some cases and markets hard, by the down turn. I also say that ladies should spend time encouraging patrons out of their high end so if the economy slows down seasonally like for summer or over all like the Recession, you have a safety net. Patrons are still clients, they are just bigger clients.

I also said I never retired early. I retired when I retired on my own time.

I never slowed down. I actually picked up more. But then again the down turn did not effect me.


I think Charlotte is a smart and sexy lady.

Your opinion not mine.

Yep, exactly what she said. I hadn't even read her response when I typed mine to Blad. The "Patron" style client was still there. The high end client was still there. And the hair and nails client was still there. They were just there in smaller numbers. But I will concede that the hourly rate at the high end did come down, and in some cases quite significantly depending on product and market. Houston gals weren't hit so hard mainly because Houston wasn't hit so hard by the Down Turn.

It came down a tad but not much. Maybe what a regular gal like the one you think is smart and sexy makes an hour but that is not any where near half price reductions in the markets I play in (NYC, Boston, San Francisco and L.A on the higher end). And to think guys bitch about 400 an hour in the market I live in.. 400 an hour is dirt cheap!!

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

LOL, it's good that you try.

Yes, it is pretty resilient, and that's pretty well documented if you're looking for actual information instead of an argument. While the upper echelon stopped getting as much work at 1-2k an hour, they didn't stop completely, and neither did anyone else. There are prostitutes working in even the countries, regardless of a terrible economy, and it's been worse here without stopping anything. Just because the market changes doesn't mean people don't adjust, and it doesn't mean a whole industry will disappear.

Which countries are you talking about? Iceland took a huge hit as did Greece. Granted there are still hookers hooking in both countries but they took a serious pay reduction and hit to the bank account (and yes I took advantage of that a few times)..

And one I see regularly in NYC never slowed down one bit (and one would think at $2500 and hour she would) and actually had to turn away prospective new clients. I got a laugh out of that in one of our dinner meetings. But she is low volume and it is her business. She is still a little miffed when she found out I make more than her per hour (yes I am a whore for my own company).. I see a rate increase in my future but she is worth it.

[Guest050715-1]

Blad's comments in red below:

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward View Post
No, what I said is the high end was hit, and in some cases and markets hard, by the down turn. I also say that ladies should spend time encouraging patrons out of their high end so if the economy slows down seasonally like for summer or over all like the Recession, you have a safety net. Patrons are still clients, they are just bigger clients.

I also said I never retired early. I retired when I retired on my own time.

I never slowed down. I actually picked up more. But then again the down turn did not effect me.

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

It came down a tad but not much. Maybe what a regular gal like the one you think is smart and sexy makes an hour but that is not any where near half price reductions in the markets I play in (NYC, Boston, San Francisco and L.A on the higher end). And to think guys bitch about 400 an hour in the market I live in.. 400 an hour is dirt cheap!!

Charlotte is in the Mid-Atlantic states per her site and her only reviews are out of NOLA. Those aren't New England or California markets. The argument wasn't that market conditions effect pricing the argument was if clientele dried up working girls would starve or whether your business picked up in the down turn. The bottom line is this is the oldest profession in the world. Men aren't going to call a general sex strike and neither are working girls.

And I still stand by not all money's good money.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

And I still stand by not all money's good money.

That is you.. I never had a problem selling a union out when their employer shorted their pension fund for one reason or another. Both sides paid yet the union still got screwed. I still got my money so who cares what happens after that.

[Guest050715-1]

You're talking apples to mosquitos. A lady needn't take every appointment and certainly not ones she doesn't feel good about especially if she handles her business correctly. What I'm saying is she may not get her money for a variety of reasons or the money she earned may cost her too much, again, for a variety of reasons.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

You're talking apples to mosquitos. A lady needn't take every appointment and certainly not ones she doesn't feel good about especially if she handles her business correctly. What I'm saying is she may not get her money for a variety of reasons or the money she earned may cost her too much, again, for a variety of reasons.

Such is the age old business saying. It takes money to make money. Chalk it up under operating costs.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Such is the age old business saying. It takes money to make money. Chalk it up under operating costs.

I absolutely did, but I very quickly learned sometimes it's better to stay at home than take a discounted rate. And operator costs have nothing to do with dark knights. The OP was about multiple kinds of clients to avoid for varying reasons.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I absolutely did, but I very quickly learned sometimes it's better to stay at home than take a discounted rate. And operator costs have nothing to do with dark knights. The OP was about multiple kinds of clients to avoid for varying reasons.

What kind of cheap ass even asks for a discounted rate?