CK1942 have you ever used your socials to take advantage of a provider

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by uparoundnoon

And that handle has been so prominent for 15 years don't you think he would have tried to change it if he was dodging something.

Some times the "Prominence" of a handle renders it immune from accusations. Many women depend heavily on the socials/parties arranged.

A community I was a member of in South Florida had a guy in a position of authority that put together a lot of events and it was no secret that he pressured ladies for freebies and excluded ladies that denied him......

For a UTR that can attend a social event and pick up a dozen new clients will she spread her legs for a freebie to pick up $3,000 in new business?

Originally Posted by Ryan Phillippe

I remember talking to the old owner of ASPD and she had CK have his moderator/admin rights removed right before the website went down. I know, I was talking to her through email. I remember something bad happened to, like a death or something.

Amber/Busytgirl/MotherHen as she was known to many of us created ASPD and was a friend of mine from 2000 forward. She passed away without proper arrangements for the continuation of the website which led to it's demise.....

I met CK1942 at one of her events long before he was a Moderator there. he eventually became an Admin and ran the site for a few years as she tried to step away from it all. Towards the end a variety of things had come to her attention and she reinstated one of her original Administrator's and stripped CK of everything to do with ASPD.

Much corruption developed under CK's watch... Austin had become a cesspool of MODs trading favors with Providers.... Problems existed in other places as well....

Attempts were made to try to save ASPD but without the ability to access funds that were in the site name and no clear transfer of ownership it all went to hell. There are several that lay the blame for the mess at the end on the man that had run it up to that time and brought a lot of difficulties down on it all over personal issues and that was CK.....

A lot of MODs that were put in place by CK on ASPD did not last long here on ECCIE because of their habits involving taking advatage of the ladies....... There was too much corruption that they were apart of and many people believed that could not develop under CK's watch had he not been a part of it..... One of his old henchmen, GFEJunkie posted here in this thread.

BustyGirl started the first ever Social Events on ASPD 15 yeas ago....

What has always been interesting to me was how ASPD was developed and designed by a woman that was a Provider yet she catered to the men in the community...... AT the inception of ASPD Women had no voice other than an ability to post ads. She was against allowing women to post claiming that men would waffle and prove corruptible in the long run. She was right.

CK has long catered to the women. The design of his socials is done with them in mind. NOT the safety of the men.

Women, Provider's, the least stable and most problematic group of people on this site make the determination if a man is worthy of an invite by verifying that he is "active" and "safe"..... In Houston this process led to several under covers posing as hobbyists to gain invite's to and turn a Christmas Social Gathering into a Media Frenzy event that led to several arrests.

Before CK... these events were put together in the exact opposite manner..... Men considered prominent in the community helped decide who was invited to the events. Women came and always will come when a group of like minded men are present..... It was a pretty fun time back then.... Agencies hosted parties as well.....

I highly doubt CK has to take advantage of drunk ladies at the end of his events....... When you are the guy hosting the party that all the guys with money are at you get a lot of offers.....

Could it happen? Sure... It happens every day in bars and at parties everywhere...... Could it happen and CK be involved and ladies NOT say anything....... Yes.. Absolutely...... He generates way too much revenue for the ladies and there would be a lot of lashback at girls disparaging him....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

Some of us live inside people's heads rent free. Heh.

Interesting... You've been doing some evaluation of yourself I see.....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Dr. Grey

I personally don't see how this is any different than picking up a girl at the bar. You offer a lady a ride, get to the house, and sometimes things happen and sometimes they don't. In ck's case, perhaps things happened. Perhaps not.

I agree... This, in itself, happens day in and out all around us.

Originally Posted by Dr. Grey

It's really no one's business to bring up but the people involved if they wish it to be discussed.

Ladies involved in things like this often feel they cannot bring it up.... Look right here in this thread...... Ck has a tremendous amount of supporters because he generates money and opportunity much more than others... Often times we here of things like this first through other members..

Originally Posted by Dr. Grey

If it was a big deal and IF anything happened, the ladies who were uncomfortable should have posted an alert on the member. Can't tell me a lady would be afraid to, there have been way worse cases people post alerts on. Seeing how no ladies have said anything in a week since inception of this thread or alerts posted ever since the beginning of socials, have to wonder.

Really? I can see a lot of doubt existing in a woman that wanted to say something negative about CK like this.....

I'm not saying he did anything.... Just that those of you that think women would not have concerns in mentioning it are close minded.

[Drtry2]

Whispers, rumors can run rampant. But if a couple of lady's got together and spoke up this thread might get traction. Much like the Bill Cosby situation.

Unless that happens this thread is a vicious rumor designed to hurt a respectable member of the community who has without argument done much to help both male and females alike.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Drtry2

Whispers, rumors can run rampant. But if a couple of lady's got together and spoke up this thread might get traction. Much like the Bill Cosby situation.

Unless that happens this thread is a vicious rumor designed to hurt a respectable member of the community who has without argument done much to help both male and females alike.

A) CK can survive "rumors"... They are nothing new...

B) The ladies would have to know who each other are in order to get together right? There is always that fear of being first and being left out in the cold. Rumors about Cosby circulated for years before someone stepped up..... How far back does THAT shit go?

c) There are many folks that believe that what CK does is for his own benefit..... Once again.... I see nothing wrong in that either....

[golfnwine]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I'm not saying he did anything.... Just that those of you that think women would not have concerns in mentioning it are close minded.

Whispers has to get his name in here when there is a suggestion about one's character.
Many of us wonder about his character.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Drtry2

Whispers, rumors can run rampant. But [i]Iif a couple of lady's got together and spoke up/[i] this thread might get traction. Much like the Bill Cosby situation.

Unless that happens this thread is a vicious rumor designed to hurt a respectable member of the community who has without argument done much to help both male and females alike.

I doubt it was your intent but your post and manner of thinking tends to have a negative influence on ladies that have issues with members....

Read what you wrote that I highlighted.....

A woman sitting somewhere reading it can take that and think... "See.... No one will believe me unless there are others...... "

You have in essence already discounted the story of the FIRST lady to step up because if there are not two or more you are unwilling to believe it.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by golfnwine

Whispers has to get his name in here when there is a suggestion about one's character.
Many of us wonder about his character.

What you or other's wonder about has zero influence on me or my decision to post......

[notanewbie]

I had heard about it...I was kinda jealous actually. Seemed like a precursor to uber.

[dearhunter]

That was the beginnings of Uber when Queen Tut used to bring his gravy train to Houston?

[notanewbie]

Yes, until that one fateful night.. .. .

[Guest123018-4]

Next thing you know somebody will be accusing modtards of getting free pussy..........

[ck1942]

Lots of "facts" and very little accuracy.

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First off, Amber did not remove me as a mod nor as an admin, of which at the time there were maybe more than 10 or 12 admins in Dallas, Houston and elsewhere. I was the leading Support Group Admin and also moderated in several cities. I was in direct contact with her by phone and email and pm up to 48 hours before she died.

Her mother and stepfather were telling me for months during Amber's final illness that they were updating the site's software and hardware on a regular basis and having me pass that information to mods and members. I never had direct access to the site's inner operation, to the best of knowledge, only Amber, and perhaps her partner at the time had that.

After Amber died, her mother starting running the site directly for a few weeks and she empowered a former Dallas admin as the overall site administrator who then several weeks after Amber's passing told me that Amber had left an email instructing that I was to be removed as an admin and moderator. I asked for but never was given a copy of the email. About a month later the entire site died.

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As for the Houston raid, the venue sold us out after having its liqour license being threatened by Houston vice. Yes, several UCs were admitted by the club which we had naively allowed to run the front door for us and the club admitted 4 or 5 UCs who circulated through the crowd of more than 150, and just before last call 2 dozen vice rushed in. None of the UCs was ever vouched onto the guest list.

Vice isolated 15 people from the est. 125 attendees still inside the club or and took 12 downtown. The 12 obviously did not respect the event rules, according to LEOs.

Vice did not confiscate the 76 toys nor the $400 in cash intended for charity and the next day which were delivered to the Houston battered women's shelter.

Of the 12 persons taken downtown, one was for outstanding traffic related warrants, several were in the country illegally and were turned over to INS and others pleaded out. Far as I know, no one did any jail time for violating P laws.

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Socials run in Amber's Houston days were organized by Houston moderator 1RudePlayer and yes, the ladies then had zero input to the guest list. No hobbiests were ever vouched in, to the best of my knowledge but some were kicked off the guest lists when their behavior was found out.

Events that I organized and hosted since 2002 in San Antonio and later in Austin after the organizers there bowed out and also in several cities elsewhere and then in Houston some years later always were with only vouched in providers and vouched in hobbiests.

The vouching system has always worked up everywhere except for the Houston incident in 2009, coincidently the week after Amber's death.

It has never been a secret that my events (just like all the others) had a marketing aspect for the ladies and ditto for the gents, as well as networking, networking, networking.

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Every moderator -- and many leading hobbiests -- have been accused of abusing "power." And, obviously, that so-called abuse would include sexual favors. Or, even cash, perhaps.

Some mods and hobbiests actually did and definitely some are still doing so.

For those with longer memories, it was I who first blew the whistle on the moderator mess in Oklahoma City where mods and a gang of hobbiests were abusing providers. It took Amber a year to determine that ck1942 was correct since the Dallas admins whitewashed the probe.

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That said, I have no reservations about saying I was never one of those mods or hobbiests seeking freebies or discounts.

My hobby budget has always been as flush as I ever needed, limited only by my time and provider availability.

Any "favors" I ever did as a mod or admin from 2001 to the end of 2009 were to help those in need of legitimate admin or moderator assistance, both males and females.

As for abusing whatever "power" some might assume I possess as a social organizer and host, I call BULLSHIT!

Invites are open to all vouched in ladies and gents whether members here or not. Travelers, too.

I am obviously a frequent hobbiest and reviewer, but so what!

I am not and never have been a mod here, and, I have no desire to serve in that role.

Spent way too many hours a week for close to 10 years doing that. That was one of my ways of giving back to the community. Events are another.

Yes, I am and may be more altruistic than others in that way.

Obviously, since all of us are sinners and law benders, it will be difficult for some to believe anyone among us can be altruistic or even, gasp! pure, but innuendos are much easier to believe when sh*t slingers go into action.

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Yes, I do have one or two "powers."

First is the ability to accept some risk in organizing and hosting close to a hundred or more very successful social events since 2002.

Second, a thick skin and a lot of patience and tolerance for internet "stuff."

Happy holidays, all. You know where to find me!

[handyGiraffe]

Great response CK1942...
I think the first demerit I ever got was from CK...LOL.....along with lots of guidance and occasional advice along the way...he's a class act.....if he got free pussy along the way good for him.....

[Mz.Kissi25]

Wow people know how to make stories that ain't fucken True I've known ck over 11years never once has he ever been that way