No AA - why not?

[MsElena]

Could it be that maybe they're just not attracted to black guys....asians....mexicans, etc.

I don't understand why this topic is brought up as many times as it is.

For those who still seek answers or have asked for answers, y'all sure passed over my questions in my post.

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Could it be that maybe they're just not attracted to black guys....asians....mexicans, etc.

I don't understand why this topic is brought up as many times as it is.

For those who still seek answers or have asked for answers, y'all sure passed over my questions in my post.

How often do girls see guys they are not attracted too though? In my opinion it is fine to continue to question it. Girls can have valid reasons for not wanting to see AA, but considering the very visible limitation that is put at the bottom of many ads it is going to get asked often.

Like it or not, just as girls have the right to say who they spend their time with. Guys have the right to question why race is the reason that they are being seen.

If they want the somewhat common practice (at least by the looks of ads) to change, just letting it go is not going to do anything.

[bartipero]

KCQuester, consider the following if I understood your question right. Of course, illegal contracts and arrangements enjoy no consideration.

http://www.khrc.net/pdf/kaadtext.pdf

Above is a link as an example speaking to Kansas law on public accomodation discrimination. Most states have laws like this one. Federal law also indirectly addresses such things and typically focuses on employment situations where minimum statutory size or payroll definitions bring you under it, but there are some exceptions, though in this context I'll not get to all of those, only the obvious. Suffice it to say this isn't an employment issue, per se, so don't read any of that into this. This also doesn't pretend to be a complete treatment of the issue at all, but just a quick point by point in general.

To answer your question, generally 'no' to all of your questions without more excluding the last one on a reason given for not providing service. As to your last question on a reason, typically, if you can show a valid business purpose for not serving someone, then the conduct is not deemed a discriminatory act or practice, unless the complaining party or agency can show the reason given is a pretext for discrimination, i.e., you're lying, the reason was a sham or in many jurisdictions, like Kansas but not Missouri, the reason given is one of mixed motive and the discriminatory motivation played a part in the situation in issue. Though not intentional in the direct sense a act or practice can be deemed discriminatory if it unduly impacts the protected class or treats them different without valid business purpose. This is known as disparate impact or treatment.

Blacks also have the advantage of 42 USC 1981, which is a post Civil War federal statute passed to aid in Reconstruction and essentially address the anticipated attitude of the South with respect to blacks. (It took nearly a century for it to truly become relevant.) Essentially, it declares it illegal to discriminate in contracting, or refusing to contract with blacks. This narrow result is reached by U.S. Supreme Court interpretation as in reading it a broader intent may appear.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1981

There you have it.

[bigryan222]

Just to let everyone know though, I personally will not sleep with any black men (or men in general so Im sexist too). My reason is that I free any penis that is not mine. They are all suspect.

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by bigryan222

How often do girls see guys they are not attracted too though? In my opinion it is fine to continue to question it. Girls can have valid reasons for not wanting to see AA, but considering the very visible limitation that is put at the bottom of many ads it is going to get asked often.

Like it or not, just as girls have the right to say who they spend their time with. Guys have the right to question why race is the reason that they are being seen.

If they want the somewhat common practice (at least by the looks of ads) to change, just letting it go is not going to do anything.

So, using the same logic we providers can ask you hobbyists why you don't see a certain lady or certain body type.

Just as I don't have the right to ask you hobbyists the above question, you hobbyists don't have the right to ask us why we would or wouldn't see a person.

No one's rights are being violated here. No one has a right to know anything except if you're going to have a good time or not.

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by MsElena

So, using the same logic we providers can ask you hobbyists why you don't see a certain lady or certain body type.

Just as I don't have the right to ask you hobbyists the above question, you hobbyists don't have the right to ask us why we would or wouldn't see a person.

No one's rights are being violated here. No one has a right to know anything except if you're going to have a good time or not.

Im not the one providing the service so that logic does not apply at all. I agree that no one is having their rights violated when a girl refuses to see a guy based on any criteria. But, those men have the right to bitch, moan, and question when it is something like race.

Comparing a provider to a business doesnt make any sense to me. Comparing a provider to a private club with membership dues is probably a lot closer since it girls can legitimately decide who they see based on their own criteria. But, that criteria opens you up to questioning in my opinion. Just like a private golf course that wouldnt allow membership because of race.

You are in a unique position where it is the best interest for the guy to fit the comfort level of the girl. If there is something that makes you very turned off by a guy, he probably is not going to enjoy it either and if he did he should probably just spend half as much on a crappy bp girl (not all bp girls are crappy). The only problem is that the perception is that a large portion of girls have that criteria so it probably makes a lot of men frustrated.

[mike2]

Well I have attempted to see AA females but when they ask what my shoe size is and I tell them it is a twelve E they hang up! What up with that?

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by MsElena

So, using the same logic we providers can ask you hobbyists why you don't see a certain lady or certain body type.

And by the way, I think asking a hobbyist why they chose the provider and even why they didnt choose another girl is fine. Feedback can be helpful.

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by bigryan222

And by the way, I think asking a hobbyist why they chose the provider and even why they didnt choose another girl is fine. Feedback can be helpful.

The feedback isn't helpful though.

1. Some men like blondes
2. Some men like brunettes
3. Some men like skinny
4. Some men like curvy
5. Some men like black chicks
6. Some men like white chicks
7. Some men like younger chicks
8. Some men like older chicks

My point being, its not our business to ask or demand why you like the women you like. Everyone has a certain type they like and they usually don't sway from it. So, the feedback isn't going to help any chicks one bit unless some chick is willing to dye her hair.

Again, its not our right to ask that of the hobbyist.

I really don't understand why some guys just can't let this topic go. You're not going to change any chicklette's mind. If she doesn't want to see an alien and you happen to be an alien, move on to someone else.

[Enchanterlingum]

Other than a display of entitlement mentality and hurt feelings, nothing is going to come of this rehash.

[sasnaK]

I smell race card being played ...but sure I have see AA providers refusing to see AA men...either way there plenty of options..for whomever..!

[KCQuestor]

Originally Posted by JRLawrence

If the hobby were legal, it is likely that a provider could be prosecuted for refusing service due to race. This is now the case for any public service, such as "food counters".

I answered my own questions from above:

Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 states that "[a]ll persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodation of any place of public accommodation ... without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, or national origin.

Title III identifies twelve categories of entities that are defined as public accommodations, provided their operations affect commerce. These do not apply to specific people, but only to businesses that meet certain minimal guidelines, such as that the entity must employ 15 employees.

Even a large brothel probably would be exempt from these laws, however. I guess that's another advantage to having your employees be independent contractors. You don't have to comply with a lot of laws.

Also, in places where prostitution is legal, specific exemptions have been made to allow a prostitute to refuse to see anyone for any reason. In this New Zealand study, sex workers claimed that after decriminalization they felt more comfortable refusing service.

[Guest121212]

Questor, brothels in Nevada can do anything they like (and so can the ladies that work them [within the policies of the house they are contracted at]). . . I've contracted at several brothels over the last two years in Nevada, and the main thing to keep in mind about prostitution in Nevada is that it is much less legalized and much more "decriminalized" (with regulation and oversight from various quasi-legislative State Agencies). However, there is absolutely no provision that any lady at in any brothel in Nevada is obligated to service anyone, and she may decline for ANY reason. In fact, most brothels still use, to this very day, a "two bell" system - one bell rings for a Caucasian client entering the premises; a second, different and distinctive bell rings when a minority client enters and desires a line-up.

Originally Posted by Enchanterlingum

Other than a display of entitlement mentality and hurt feelings, nothing is going to come of this rehash.

True - I'm amazed at the number of people that, when multiple members dissuade the thread from continuing (speaking from their past experience), feel a need to continue urging along this thread towards its ultimate closure . . .

I also find it very curious that there's not a thread in sight on ECCIE begun by Asian, Middle Eastern, Indian or Latino clients (all of whom are also routinely turned away by many ladies, as much as, if not more than, AA gentlemen). It appears on the face of it that the other groups simply accept the Escort's preference and they move on (much like my first posting in this thread states) . . . Banging this thread to death demanding answers isn't going to get an AA gentleman a date with anyone that desires to exclude them. It does just the opposite, IMO.

So, knock yourselves out . . . Personally, if I wanted to discuss the matter, I'd use the thread in the national forum I linked to previously, it has more participants, and subsequently as such, it offers a much more diverse and thought-provoking tenor.

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

Questor, brothels in Nevada can do anything they like (and so can the ladies that work them [within the policies of the house they are contracted at]). . . I've contracted at several brothels over the last two years in Nevada, and the main thing to keep in mind about prostitution in Nevada is that it is much less legalized and much more "decriminalized" (with regulation and oversight from various quasi-legislative State Agencies). However, there is absolutely no provision that any lady at in any brothel in Nevada is obligated to service anyone, and she may decline for ANY reason. In fact, most brothels still use, to this very day, a "two bell" system - one bell rings for a Caucasian client entering the premises; a second, different and distinctive bell rings when a minority client enters and desires a line-up.



True - I'm amazed at the number of people that, when multiple members dissuade the thread from continuing (speaking from their past experience), feel a need to continue urging along this thread towards its ultimate closure . . .

I also find it very curious that there's not a thread in sight on ECCIE begun by Asian, Middle Eastern, Indian or Latino clients (all of whom are also routinely turned away by many ladies, as much as, if not more than, AA gentlemen). It appears on the face of it that the other groups simply accept the Escort's preference and they move on (much like my first posting in this thread states) . . . Banging this thread to death demanding answers isn't going to get an AA gentleman a date with anyone that desires to exclude them. It does just the opposite, IMO.

So, knock yourselves out . . . Personally, if I wanted to discuss the matter, I'd use the thread in the national forum I linked to previously, it has more participants, and subsequently as such, it offers a much more diverse and thought-provoking tenor.

First of all, this is the least relevent point of mine. But to my first point about it, men are not providing the service. Second, if a guy tells you that he picked you because of your large chest, your green eyes, or something else you will probably do something to make it stick out next time you see him. You probably already take the feedback in different forms.

The fact is that there is the appearance of discrimination of many ladies in the hobby and it doesnt matter who brings it up. As I have said and you ladies have said, it is still your choice to see who you want to see. But, the guys do have the right to question why they are being refused service based what appears to be solely on their race.

And in my opinion the national forum is not the best place for this discussion. The threads their run amuck. The guys here are probably not concerned with what the girls in Alabama or Hawaii since they are in Kansas City.

[dirty dog]

"But, the guys do have the right to question why they are being refused service based what appears to be solely on their race."

They have the right to ask but there is no demand for the provider to answer the question. The fact of the matter is if the woman does not want to see you its her choice, if its descrimination so be it, there are ladies who wont see fat guys, there are ladies who wont see uncircumsized guys, there is all kinds of discrimination or choice or however you want to lable it, its just a fact of fucking life. Get over it and move the fuck on, jesus christ does this have to be discussed every 3 fucking months.