Congratulations NRA, two media members have fallen to your cause

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by timpage

The level of gun violence in the United States is utterly ridiculous. Arguing that it isn't makes you look stupid, uninformed or just downright callous. The idea that we live in a society where a man can walk into an elementary school with an assault rifle and massacre 20 six year olds ought to be unacceptable. But, apparently, it's not. According to a post from just the other day, that is the price we pay to live in the United States.

The reality is that the gun genie is out of the bottle. Even if Americans came to their senses and realized that having such easy access to firearms promulgates firearms violence, here is no way to confiscate or get control of the hundreds of millions of guns that are out there in circulation.

So, every day, we bury the 30 or so people in the US whose death was caused by a firearm and the other 300 or so that suffer gunshot wounds go to the hospital. It is truly insane when you think about it. But, most folks don't. Until it's your six year old being lowered into the ground.

If they were to call for American citizens to turn their firearms in, are you going to turn yours in?

Jim

[timpage]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

Illinois, and Chicago in particular, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Hasn't done them a damned bit of good. The only ones left without guns are the law abiding citizens. The lawless gangs have them all. Take a look at their stats...

http://heyjackass.com

You can piss and moan all you want to. The 2nd Amendment is not going away.
Gun control? Yeah... I use both hands.

I'm not pissing or moaning. I am lamenting the fact that idiots like you don't seem to care one iota that over 30,000 people in the United States die from gunfire every year and that you are willing to accept that as the status quo. It's ridiculously unacceptable and the fact that you are unwilling to even acknowledge that, in fact to deem it as "pissing and moaning", can only be indicative that you are either stupid....or, you just haven't thought about it enough. You tell us which it is....

[Ex-CEO]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

If they were to call for American citizens to turn their firearms in, are you going to turn yours in?

Jim

Jim, my sense of it is that Timpage is not calling for all guns to be confiscated, but rather to cease making it so easy for ANYONE to get a gun with few or no restrictions.

Although I don't consider myself a liberal, I'm with him on this one.

[brianjackson]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

Illinois, and Chicago in particular, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Hasn't done them a damned bit of good.
http://heyjackass.com

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You can't know if this statement is true unless you know what the numbers would if they didn't have stick gun control. I am sure people like you deep down know this but still always try that argument.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by timpage

The level of gun violence in the United States is utterly ridiculous. Arguing that it isn't makes you look stupid, uninformed or just downright callous. The idea that we live in a society where a man can walk into an elementary school with an assault rifle and massacre 20 six year olds ought to be unacceptable. But, apparently, it's not. According to a post from just the other day, that is the price we pay to live in the United States.

The reality is that the gun genie is out of the bottle. Even if Americans came to their senses and realized that having such easy access to firearms promulgates firearms violence, here is no way to confiscate or get control of the hundreds of millions of guns that are out there in circulation.

So, every day, we bury the 30 or so people in the US whose death was caused by a firearm and the other 300 or so that suffer gunshot wounds go to the hospital. It is truly insane when you think about it. But, most folks don't. Until it's your six year old being lowered into the ground.

Australia managed to do this fairly successfully after they passed strict gun laws not too long ago

"Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted"

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

Mostly complete garbage. This was the case of someone with obvious mental problems being able to get ahold of a gun. It takes two to tango.

Now this is when you say the standard gun owner argument that if it wasn't a gun then it could have been a knife, a baseball bat or whatever else you will try to bring up. But if you really believe a knife, or a bat or anything else is an lethal as a gun then why fight so hard to keep guns. You can just get a knife of a bat. Oh yeah its because gun owners obviously know that a gun is a ton more lethal.


I am actually a middle of the roader on this issue but if anyone thinks that a ton of people don't worship their guns rights above all else then they are blind and its disturbing.


Gun nuts on this board. If you were faced with a choice of dying or giving up your guns which would it be? I have yet to see a gun nut say he would rather give up his guns. Very disturbing..
There is something sick about way to many gun owners, and I have never met a person I don't think is a nut who doesn't of course own a gun.

Agreed, they claim they fear the Govnt, that's why they have guns.
I have a healthy suspicion of govnt but what I fear more is the person with an unreasonable/paranoid fear of govt that owns a gun.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Australia managed to do this fairly successfully after they passed strict gun laws not too long ago

"Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted"

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

That's not going to work in the United States. For starters, it would be largely illegal in light of recent SCOTUS decisions. Australia doesn't have a 2nd Amendment that has been construed to mean that all citizens, with some restrictions, have the right to keep and bear arms.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

If they were to call for American citizens to turn their firearms in, are you going to turn yours in?

Jim

Fuck no. But, I am a highly trained, sane, responsible citizen.

Again, the train has left the station on this one. You can't confiscate 300,000,000 firearms or however many there are in circulation in the US. It's the same concept that I've been advancing in the immigration threads....you can't round up 11,500,000 people and deport them. The logistics, at least under our present form of government, are impossible.

But, we should do what we can going forward. It ought to be harder to get a gun than a driver's license.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by timpage

That's not going to work in the United States. For starters, it would be largely illegal in light of recent SCOTUS decisions. Australia doesn't have a 2nd Amendment that has been construed to mean that all citizens, with some restrictions, have the right to keep and bear arms.

Right, wouldn't work exactly as they did it but we can do much more than we have so far. For example, assault rifles can be banned similar to the brady bill, that GW Bush allowed to expire and those guns can go thru mandatory buy back. I don't believe the 2nd amendment specifically covers assault rifles. . . some would surely disagree and lawyers would have to hash it out but I think its reasonably possible.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by timpage

Fuck no. But, I am a highly trained, sane, responsible citizen.

Again, the train has left the station on this one. You can't confiscate 300,000,000 firearms or however many there are in circulation in the US. It's the same concept that I've been advancing in the immigration threads....you can't round up 11,500,000 people and deport them. The logistics, at least under our present form of government, are impossible.

But, we should do what we can going forward. It ought to be harder to get a gun than a driver's license.

Ok so how hard should it be? There is already provisions in place. Convicted felons can't buy guns. There are also strict laws for being in possession of a firearm while being in possession of elicit CDS, look up " Operation Exile". As far as the mentally ill, doesn't the law protects us from revealing medical information? I don't know how a gun dealer can legally ask someone to bring proof of sanity. A potential gun buyer would have to waive certain rights to purchase a gun and even that wouldn't be a guarantee.

Jim

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Ok so how hard should it be? There is already provisions in place. Convicted felons can't buy guns. There are also strict laws for being in possession of a firearm while being in possession of elicit CDS, look up " Operation Exile". As far as the mentally ill, doesn't the law protects us from revealing medical information? I don't know how a gun dealer can legally ask someone to bring proof of sanity. A potential gun buyer would have to waive certain rights to purchase a gun and even that wouldn't be a guarantee.

Jim

It should be a process. You should have to fill out an application that is more detailed than the 4473. There should be upgraded databases that gun dealers can access that contain relevant medical and criminal information. I don't think that convicted felons or those convicted of domestic violence should be the only criminals that can't obtain firearms. There should be a training process that establishes your competency to safely handle and store a firearm before you should be allowed to take the firearm home. And, I am not talking about the bullshit training courses that CHL holders complete. I am talking about being able to demonstrate and practice proficiency in the safe handling, use and storage of a firearm.

And, if you have to waive your physician/patient privilege to get a firearm, at least in regards to mental or emotional problems, then make the choice....either reveal the information or go without a firearm.

For starters.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by timpage

It should be a process. You should have to fill out an application. There should be upgraded databases that gun dealers can access that contain relevant medical and criminal information. I don't think that convicted felons or those convicted of domestic violence should be the only criminals that can't obtain firearms. There should be a training process that establishes your competency to safely handle and store a firearm before you should be allowed to take the firearm home. And, I am not talking about the bullshit training courses that CHL holders complete. I am talking about being able to demonstrate and practice proficiency in the safe handling, use and storage of a firearm.

And, if you have to waive your physician/patient privilege to get a firearm, at least in regards to mental or emotional problems, then make the choice....either reveal the information or go without a firearm.

For starters.

Agreed, it should be on par with what police officers have to pass in training.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Agreed, it should be on par with what police officers have to pass in training.

Well suckclown, that puts you at odds with the "black lives matter " crowd and the libs that say ALL cops are dangerous when armed and are racist rednecks just looking for a homie to cap. Your ilk doesn't want to obey any law they don't like ( just like your hero odummer and the Constitution ! ), so if the police are disarmed more of your "homies" can practice some of that " urban income redistribution " , or what the rest of us call LOOTING the next time they get upset over a "gentle, choir boy " shoplifts and intimidates the store owner and then goes on to try to take a police officers weapon . But iss aah-right in da 'hood !!

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by timpage

It should be a process. You should have to fill out an application that is more detailed than the 4473. There should be upgraded databases that gun dealers can access that contain relevant medical and criminal information. I don't think that convicted felons or those convicted of domestic violence should be the only criminals that can't obtain firearms. There should be a training process that establishes your competency to safely handle and store a firearm before you should be allowed to take the firearm home. And, I am not talking about the bullshit training courses that CHL holders complete. I am talking about being able to demonstrate and practice proficiency in the safe handling, use and storage of a firearm.

And, if you have to waive your physician/patient privilege to get a firearm, at least in regards to mental or emotional problems, then make the choice....either reveal the information or go without a firearm.

For starters.

I understand what you're saying and I agree to an extent. Whether you realize it or not you're idea if it was to come to fruition is diluting the "Right" to gun ownership to a privilege to gun ownership similar to your privilege to drive a car. Which could be a good thing but the second amendment would be null and void.

Jim

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

Well suckclown, that puts you at odds with the "black lives matter " crowd and the libs that say ALL cops are dangerous when armed and are racist rednecks just looking for a homie to cap. Your ilk doesn't want to obey any law they don't like ( just like your hero odummer and the Constitution ! ), so if the police are disarmed more of your "homies" can practice some of that " urban income redistribution " , or what the rest of us call LOOTING the next time they get upset over a "gentle, choir boy " shoplifts and intimidates the store owner and then goes on to try to take a police officers weapon . But iss aah-right in da 'hood !!

I know its difficult for you but try real hard to think out a coherent statement, maybe you forgot ur meds again.