cartels vs. mexico

[dilbert firestorm]

Mexican soldiers capture both of el-chapo's son. The oldest son gets freed by his men. Frees his younger brother as well. captures some soldiers. His men causes mayhem in the city.

Govt. caves by releasing his younger brother in exchange for the captured soldiers.


A Drug Cartel Just Defeated The Mexican Military In Battle

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/21...ary-in-battle/

Lopez Obrador later defended this decision, insisting that his security strategy is working and saying, “Many people were at risk and it was decided to protect people’s lives. I agreed with that, because we don’t do massacres, that’s over.”


Failed raid against El Chapo’s son leaves 8 dead in Mexico

https://apnews.com/e0228a1114fd44f5aff1ace1479ce0f1

Juan Pablo Badillo, a lawyer who represents the drug lord in Mexico, praised López Obrador, saying Ovidio Guzman was freed “by a manly order, an intelligent order, a sensible order from President Andrés Manuel López Obrador.”

“The capture of one criminal cannot be worth more than the lives of people. They made the decision and I supported it,” López Obrador said. He added: “We do not want deaths. We do not want war.”

this botched operation is going to cause a lot of problems down the road.

what do you think?

[Tiny]

Dilbert If this interests you, take a look at

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

They've got a lot of stories on this and other narco incidents, from both the Mexican and world press.

I know nothing about this specific incident and Lopez Obrador's involvement. Historically the cartels bought off lawmen and government lawyers, sometimes all the way up to the Minister of Justice, although you never could pin anything on the President of the Republic. A number of state governors were implicated.

The DEA sometimes ended up as a pawn in these struggles. Back when it was fighting Miguel Felix and the Guadalajara Cartel, the branch of the Mexican judicial police who the DEA was backing were in the pocket of the Gulf Cartel. The DEA ended up doing the Gulf Cartel's dirty work, helping to track down the Cartel's competitors.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Dilbert If this interests you, take a look at

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

They've got a lot of stories on this and other narco incidents, from both the Mexican and world press.

I know nothing about this specific incident and Lopez Obrador's involvement. Historically the cartels bought off lawmen and government lawyers, sometimes all the way up to the Minister of Justice, although you never could pin anything on the President of the Republic. A number of state governors were implicated.

The DEA sometimes ended up as a pawn in these struggles. Back when it was fighting Miguel Felix and the Guadalajara Cartel, the branch of the Mexican judicial police who the DEA was backing were in the pocket of the Gulf Cartel. The DEA ended up doing the Gulf Cartel's dirty work, helping to track down the Cartel's competitors.

ok thanx for the link to it.


the reason this story is notable as these were El Chapo's sons. this was truly a botched operation, they should have had back up and air support which was missing in this operation.


its bad that amlo caved to the this particular organization over their violence.

[friendly fred]

This is a humiliation for the Mexican government.

They should get some honest cops together and go in and kick some ass...

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

This is a humiliation for the Mexican government.

They should get some honest cops together and go in and kick some ass...

it's a huge humiliation. the cops should be replaced with federal troops. the army needs to take control of all states in Mexico. yeah it was the army that got overwhelmed .. but the local cops are too easily bought off. the Mexican army needs to go in with overwhelming firepower. armored assault vehicles. attack helicopters. tanks. jets. napalm in the morning. whatever it takes. or they have already lost.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

it's a huge humiliation. the cops should be replaced with federal troops. the army needs to take control of all states in Mexico. yeah it was the army that got overwhelmed .. but the local cops are too easily bought off. the Mexican army needs to go in with overwhelming firepower. armored assault vehicles. attack helicopters. tanks. jets. napalm in the morning. whatever it takes. or they have already lost.

ahem.. this *was* the mexican army that lost to the cartel. Police wasn't really involved in this operation.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

it's a huge humiliation. the cops should be replaced with federal troops. the army needs to take control of all states in Mexico. yeah it was the army that got overwhelmed .. but the local cops are too easily bought off. the Mexican army needs to go in with overwhelming firepower. armored assault vehicles. attack helicopters. tanks. jets. napalm in the morning. whatever it takes. or they have already lost.

Amen my brother.

[dilbert firestorm]

here's an update.

the police officer who was somewhat involved in the capture of El Chapo's son Ovidio in a busted operation was murdered. a gang ambushed and riddled his car with 150+ bullets.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/102998...ark-execution/

the video is in the link provided above.


nasty guys!!!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

it's a huge humiliation. the cops should be replaced with federal troops. the army needs to take control of all states in Mexico. yeah it was the army that got overwhelmed .. but the local cops are too easily bought off. the Mexican army needs to go in with overwhelming firepower. armored assault vehicles. attack helicopters. tanks. jets. napalm in the morning. whatever it takes. or they have already lost.

One flaw in the suggestion to use the "Mexican Army" is the source of the "servicemembers"! It's been awhile so things may have been modified, but not so long ago service in the Mexican military was mandatory. Families with money and connection could bribe a peasant's son to take their own son's place for the mandatory service period. It was great for the poverty of the peasant ... money, clothes, and shoes. They weren't there to fight the better paid and equipped cartel "soldiers"!

The history (for decades) for using the "Mexican military" to find illegal business operations is not a proud chapter. The "Mexican military" was outmanned and outgunned on the turf of the "illegals" and refused to "invade" their territory.

One of the most horrific recordings I've heard are the tapes made of the torture to death of a DEA agent assigned to the Guadalajara DEA station as the local police, state police, Federal police, and military sought to learn from him the snitches used by the station in disrupting the flow of illegal substances into the U.S. A doctor was present to sew him back up and keep him alive as he was suspended from the ceiling by wires threaded to his spine.

The cartels exist in Mexico BECAUSE of the Government of Mexico. Mordida!

Mexican politicians doesn't want U.S. military assistance for the same reason that criminals in this country don't call 911.

[dilbert firestorm]

is this why amlo wants to replace the army with the national guard?

[rexdutchman]

Mexico makes to much cash from the flow of drug and illegal s Is the only export ,,,,,,

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

is this why amlo wants to replace the army with the national guard?

No. (I don't rely on Wiki, but in this case it's as reliable as the Guard!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_(Mexico)

Before becoming President of Mexico, Andrés Manual López Obrador campaigned on a promise to take the military off the streets of Mexico.[2] Shortly after getting into office, Obrador released a plan to create the National Guard under control of the Mexican Armed Forces which would be in charge of "preventing and combating crime".[2][3] Obrador stated that the new National Guard would be critical to solving Mexico's ongoing security crisis.[1][4]

On 28 February, the Mexico's national legislature voted to approve a 60,000-member national guard.[4] On 30 June 2019, the National Guard was officially established.[5]

The new National Guard, de facto successor to a similar formation raised in 1821 and abolished in 1935, is composed today of personnel from:[citation needed]

the Federal Police
Including National Gendarmerie, Federal Forces and Regional Security Divisions
the Presidential Guards Military Police Brigade, four other military police brigades and regional MP battalions of the Mexican Army
Naval Police battalions under the Mexican Navy

Changing the uniform accomplishes NOTHING to the informed.

It is being reported that a "number" of persons have been "rounded up" with respect to the ambush-massacre .... I read an article that one man was arrested who had two bound and gagged hostages (unidentified and not connected to the Mormons in the article).

But it doesn't matter. Also from Wiki:

Capital punishment in Mexico was officially abolished on 15 March 2005, having not been used in civil cases since 1937, and in military cases since 1961. Mexico is the world's most populous country to have completely abolished the death penalty.

[friendly fred]

How is the old border prostitution in San Diego being affected by this violence?

I heard they had some pretty girls down there back in the day...never went myself...I've always assumed it was protected by the cartels so that kept it relatively safe for the customers.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

How is the old border prostitution in San Diego being affected by this violence?

I heard they had some pretty girls down there back in the day...never went myself...I've always assumed it was protected by the cartels so that kept it relatively safe for the customers.

By "back in the day" do you mean in the late 60's and early 70's?

When college students started being kidnapped, tortured, and murdered the "Boy's Towns" of the Northern Frontier began to fade, particularly in the quality department. When the coeds started disappearing the pickings got even slimmer.

In Cali IMO most of the hot females are at least Bi, so you have to catch them when their GF is on the rag. Just warm them up with DATY. Safer as long as you have permission.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

By "back in the day" do you mean in the late 60's and early 70's?

When college students started being kidnapped, tortured, and murdered the "Boy's Towns" of the Northern Frontier began to fade, particularly in the quality department. When the coeds started disappearing the pickings got even slimmer.

In Cali IMO most of the hot females are at least Bi, so you have to catch them when their GF is on the rag. Just warm them up with DATY. Safer as long as you have permission.

I only heard about it in the 80's but the reports of pretty 18 year old cuties was intriguing.